switching from 100 to 200

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I anticipate buying a 200 in the next few years. It won't be wheeled though. I see it being relighted to soccer and road trips. Maybe slap on some Slee step sliders. For wheeling I'll stick with my 100 and then probably another 100, hopefully not for a long time. For the trails I tend to run the 300 is too big, the 100 is pushing it a lot of times. I also feel uneasy about the electrical system complexities in my truck and the 200 just further complicates things. We shall see how it shapes up over the coming years for wheeling, after all many people who owned 80s said they would never drive a 100 because of the size/IFS. Now they are coming over left and right.


Oh and sorry to the OP for getting of topic. Yes agree, wheels, tires, drawers, rack, lights, bottle openers etc.
 
Would love to have a 200 but selling my house to buy one is out of the question. Will stay with my 99 and give it a good cleaning. I bet the next version of the Land Cruiser will be pushing $100,000.00 in a few years. The thought gives me a bad headache. Used 08's are in the $35-40,000 range and way out of reach at that. Compare the 200 to a 60 and consider what has progressed to an absloute electrical nightmare. The 100 has almost exceeded my ability to comprehend it's potential for electrical issues.

Makes my 100 look better everyday and hard to improve considering what has been spent since owned.
 
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U can always buy a less electrical/ basic ones 200 but then again what's the point of buying one. A full option 100 series in my view is better than a basic 200. The only reason to buy the 200 is you get more features/toys

I think the 200 series is much superior to the outgoing model inside out. The only problem is its quite expensive for what it delivers for now. But in few years time , when the prices go down, it will be a very good buy.
 
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jonharis said:
I also feel uneasy about the electrical system complexities in my truck and the 200 just further complicates things.
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Why is everyone always worried about the complexities of the electronics? Scared? How many failed ECU's have you heard of on a 100 vs failed transmissions? Broken diffs vs navigation systems that has gone out? In any which way the 200 is a much better engineered vehicle with parts and sizes of parts to match. I would much rather take the 200 with the proper size diffs and all the electronics vs a 100 with the grenade-o-matic front diff.

If you analyze electronics failures they are few and far between. We hardly ever have to deal with it in the shop. The only thing that does not mix is water and electronics. Well, we really don't have that level of water crossings in the US, unless you play hippo like "Chris Sandstorm".
 
sleeoffroad said:
Why is everyone always worried about the complexities of the electronics? Scared? How many failed ECU's have you heard of on a 100 vs failed transmissions? Broken diffs vs navigation systems that has gone out? In any which way the 200 is a much better engineered vehicle with parts and sizes of parts to match. I would much rather take the 200 with the proper size diffs and all the electronics vs a 100 with the grenade-o-matic front diff.

If you analyze electronics failures they are few and far between. We hardly ever have to deal with it in the shop. The only thing that does not mix is water and electronics. Well, we really don't have that level of water crossings in the US, unless you play hippo like "Chris Sandstorm".
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Some us just prefer dials and buttons to plastic touch screens; I for one. Can't imagine the glare off the screen would be any better, with a few thousand accumulated scratches, after a couple years rolling around western US dust covered trails. Not to mention just effing with a touch screen bouncing along most of the terrain we typically roll on; jebus I can barely deal with the touchscreen on my Prius :lol:. Don't do these types of trails? Then maybe the 200 is just for you!

Nothing lasts forever...and eventually the additional complexities, electronic and mechanical alike, are going to need to be repaired. And the fact is the repairs are more expensive. The power from the 5.7L would be great. But its going to take even more fuel than the already thirsty 4.7L. For some of the places we explore you'd have to haul an additional 35 gallons of fuel to keep a weighted up 200 rolling. Geez...my 50-gallons for a couple of the areas we explore is just barely enough...

Then there's the issue of the lack of available well designed front and rear bumper choices for the 200.

Sure if you're that guy that can write the big check out every few years...then by all means get a new 200 leave it with Slee/Mudrak/etc. to get it set-up and then do it again in 3-4 years. I for one, if I was in that elite group, would order up a brand new 570 along with a brand new Kimberley Kruiser and head out for gravel roads unknown: Today! Then I, presumably like most, woke up :D

From a unit sales perspective the 200 has been the least successful LC platform to date. You can wager Toyota, to increase unit sales, is going to have to add IRS and a host of other pedestrian "gotta haves" to compete with Land Rover. I would expect, as the past has shown, each successive LC platform has and will be farther and farther away from off-road worthiness and more centered around luxo paved road wandering cush.


BTW: The front diff issue on a 100 is a $1200 fix.

Just another perspective/opinion.
 
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Fwiw, my friend's lx570 gets noticeably better MPG than my 100 does. And the Land Cruiser left the hard core market over 15 years ago. The electronics are nothing to shy away from, IMHO.

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spressomon said:
Some us just prefer dials and buttons to plastic touch screens; I for one. Can't imagine the glare off the screen would be any better, with a few thousand accumulated scratches, after a couple years rolling around western US dust covered trails. Not to mention just effing with a touch screen bouncing along most of the terrain we typically roll on; jebus I can barely deal with the touchscreen on my Prius :lol:. Don't do these types of trails? Then maybe the 200 is just for you!

Nothing lasts forever...and eventually the additional complexities, electronic and mechanical alike, are going to need to be repaired. And the fact is the repairs are more expensive. The power from the 5.7L would be great. But its going to take even more fuel than the already thirsty 4.7L. For some of the places we explore you'd have to haul an additional 35 gallons of fuel to keep a weighted up 200 rolling. Geez...my 50-gallons for a couple of the areas we explore is just barely enough...

Then there's the issue of the lack of available well designed front and rear bumper choices for the 200.

Sure if you're that guy that can write the big check out every few years...then by all means get a new 200 leave it with Slee/Mudrak/etc. to get it set-up and then do it again in 3-4 years. I for one, if I was in that elite group, would order up a brand new 570 along with a brand new Kimberley Kruiser and head out for gravel roads unknown: Today! Then I, presumably like most, woke up :D

From a unit sales perspective the 200 has been the least successful LC platform to date. You can wager Toyota, to increase unit sales, is going to have to add IRS and a host of other pedestrian "gotta haves" to compete with Land Rover. I would expect, as the past has shown, each successive LC platform has and will be farther and farther away from off-road worthiness and more centered around luxo paved road wandering cush.

BTW: The front diff issue on a 100 is a $1200 fix.

Just another perspective/opinion.
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Nothing lasts forever that's true but then again we won't last for ever aswell . There is much difference between a Land Cruiser and a Prius touch screen. It is designed to be used in tougher enviornments than Prius can ever imagine. The LC is best for its very very reliable electronics but if u think about worst then the basic ones have less electronics and no touchscreen. Mercedes is famous for its electronic nightmares where as LC are the opposite.


There was a time when there was absolutely nothing aftermarket available for 100 series but it started coming gradually. Same will be the case with 200. It will come and would be much better and refined than the 100 series aftermarket parts.

The 80 series was a safe car, 100 was safer and for now 200 will be the safest.
 
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The 200 sales numbers in the USA are not a problem for Toyota. We are not the market for that truck, the big sales numbers are in the middle east and australia. I think we still get the LC because it was the first Toyota in this country.
 
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I think we still get the LC because it was the first Toyota in this country.
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We get the LC because rich soccer moms will pay $80-90k for the most expensive Toyota SUV just because they can...

I would take a 200 any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Waiting patiently for them to come down in price.

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sleeoffroad said:
Why is everyone always worried about the complexities of the electronics? Scared? How many failed ECU's have you heard of on a 100 vs failed transmissions? Broken diffs vs navigation systems that has gone out? In any which way the 200 is a much better engineered vehicle with parts and sizes of parts to match. I would much rather take the 200 with the proper size diffs and all the electronics vs a 100 with the grenade-o-matic front diff.

If you analyze electronics failures they are few and far between. We hardly ever have to deal with it in the shop. The only thing that does not mix is water and electronics. Well, we really don't have that level of water crossings in the US, unless you play hippo like "Chris Sandstorm".
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One word. 2wheelbob

Had an ignition that 4-5 LC nuts could not figure out, took some electrogenius to get him on the road and he could have just as easily been out in the middle of nowhere.

FWIW: Chris was not in a Land Cruiser.

I drive though 2-3' deep water crossings several times a year that are right in my back yard, so far no issues and I don't expect them unless I do something stupid, like the Dolores/Dirty Devil in spring.

Selling my 100 to get a 62 to eliminate all worries.

Like I said, I'll be buying one eventually but it will be relegated to FS roads at most i feel. And soccer games.

re_guderian said:
Fwiw, my friend's lx570 gets noticeably better MPG than my 100 does. And the Land Cruiser left the hard core market over 15 years ago. The electronics are nothing to shy away from, IMHO.
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Is it built? My 100 got 3-5mpg better mileage in stock form than it does now.

spressomon said:
BTW: The front diff issue on a 100 is a $1200 fix.

Just another perspective/opinion.
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Excellent point, cheap fix compared to the added cost of a 200.

Sorry to get so off topic OP, but it's been an enjoyable thread.

I think this part will transfer over directly to the 200. Make sure you keep it on the passenger side to offset the additional driver weight.
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Is this why Toyota still has yet to incorporate these stupid electronics into the 70 series?

Toyota Unveils Land Cruiser 70 Series Double Cab

If all of these new gadgets are so great, why doesn't Mr. T incorporate them into the toughest of vehicles they make.
One reason may be purely cost, but the second reason may well be the realiability aspect and the fact these gadgets are not for the real 4wd market.

I will probably someday own a 5.7L Tundra or a 200, but it will be a daily driver and I will have a 40 to tow and wheel instead.


sleeoffroad said:
Why is everyone always worried about the complexities of the electronics? Scared? How many failed ECU's have you heard of on a 100 vs failed transmissions? Broken diffs vs navigation systems that has gone out? In any which way the 200 is a much better engineered vehicle with parts and sizes of parts to match. I would much rather take the 200 with the proper size diffs and all the electronics vs a 100 with the grenade-o-matic front diff.

If you analyze electronics failures they are few and far between. We hardly ever have to deal with it in the shop. The only thing that does not mix is water and electronics. Well, we really don't have that level of water crossings in the US, unless you play hippo like "Chris Sandstorm".
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jonharis said:
Selling my 100 to get a [STRIKE]62[/STRIKE] 7x series to eliminate all worries.
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Fixed it for myself. Screw the 62. the power windows are a nightmare.
 
jasonbraswell said:
Is this why Toyota still has yet to incorporate these stupid electronics into the 70 series?

Toyota Unveils Land Cruiser 70 Series Double Cab

If all of these new gadgets are so great, why doesn't Mr. T incorporate them into the toughest of vehicles they make.
One reason may be purely cost, but the second reason may well be the realiability aspect and the fact these gadgets are not for the real 4wd market.
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Well, there are also other reasons for that. As late as maybe 2005, some 'developing' countries received their 80 series with the 1FZ-F which is nearly the same engine as what we had, except it was carbureted. The reason is because of the lack of skilled auto technicians. I think most will agree a carburetor is easier to work on but not as reliable as electronic fuel injection. However, a carb does better when you introduce water crossings into the equation.
 
My personal opinion on why the Land Cruisers sales numbers are shockingly low in comparison to the LX570: VERY few people want to spend 70-75K on a Toyota and have to deal with a Toyota dealership and the fact that they are spending that much on a Toyota.

On the other hand, they could be spending 80-85K on a Lexus and be pampered/treated well at the dealership and be driving around with a Lexus badge, not a Toyota badge. I have heard countless stories of people taking in the lexus, given a free car to drive while theirs was being worked on, extremely friendly staff, etc. I have been to the Toyota dealership a number of times and a few different dealerships and it was nothing like what i have been told about a Lexus dealership from many people.

Plus there are things on the Toyota you cannot get that the Lexus has. You cannot get a power opening/closing tailgate on the Toyota. A friend of mine had been looking at vehicles for his wife and i strongly suggested to them the LC/LX. She has some serious arthritis and having a power closing tail gate was a must. They bought the LX570 over the Land Cruiser for this reason and the fact that there wasn't a single dealership in the area with a Land Cruiser, yet every Lexus dealership had a few LX570s.
 
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