Steering Q's...

[VTCruiser]

So I have been trying to solve a "conversion issue" regarding the power steering system for my HJ60. This is the situation. The 2H has an external pwr steering pump located on the right (passenger side) of the engine and obviously the steering box is located on the left hand (driver side) frame rail. The old pwr steering pressure and return lines ran along the front most cross member of the frame to connect th two. Now, the 1HZ has the pump located on the left side of the block closer to the steering box. Its obvious, new lines are in order.

Part 1: I have been looking around at having custom soft lines made up, but and having trouble finding the proper fittings, mainly because i am not sure what I am looking for .

Question #1: Can anyone help me with the specs on hose fittings at the box? I would imagine they are the same on pump, is that a safe assumption?

Part 2:: Now, in my thoughts (and SOR's online catalog ) I stumbled upon the idea that maybe FJ60 2F pumps are on the left side as well, and i could use these lines (at least the pressue line) to connect my 1HZ pump to the steering box. Please refer to the pic below, item #60. Length would obviously be the deciding factor, and i won't know what I need until the 1HZ is in the truck (hopefully this weekend).

Question #2: All 60 series cruiser share the same steering box, correct? So fittings should be universal?
Question #3: Can some one please measure the length of this hose on their FJ60? Pretty please?

Any thoughts? thanks

fuj

 

[Landpimp]

81+ fj40/60 have the PS pumps mounted on the driverside(left)

not sure if the boxs are the same, I recall there being 3(or maybe just 2) different boxs on fj60's, the 81-2, another and the common one like on a 86 fj60

how about not using the tube cooler and using a small trany cooler? this is what I did on my 82 fj40.

I would look at an aftermarket high presure line for a fj60, prettu sure thats what I used, was $35 at the parts store. low presure is no problem, just use the correct generic hose.

way to much crap in the way on my fj60 to measure, but I might be able to on the fj40(same pump and location as a fj60)

 

[VTCruiser]

according to sor that line is compatible for all '81-'87 60s so i imagine the box fittings are at least the same. I guess I would only run into trouble if there is a discrepancy between the diesels and gassers which I doubt…

I suppose the last two variables are length, and the pump fittings. If the 1HZ pump fittings are the same as the 2F pump fittings (I really hope they are...), we may have a winner...

I will most definitely look into aftermarket! sure as hell beats SORs $60 for a used OEM! Are the 40 series lines the same as the 60s? Measurements would be sweet….thanks pimp

Oh and its and ’86 HJ60…

 

[Landpimp]

I will dig up the box and part # of the hose I used, but this was on a fj60 pump(on driverside) to a fj40 OEM PS box(same fittings as a mini truck box), not sure if the box fitting is the same as a fj60 or your pump. I am thinking what you are......the fitting on the dsl and gas box/pump "should" be the same......but ya never know

so you have NO hoses for the dsl pump/box now? if you do you could take it to a hose shop they will take your ends and make a new hose.

 

[dogboy2]

VTCruiser,

Toyota has a technical help desk that should be able to answer your parts compatibility question. Here's the number: 1-800-GO TOYOTA

HTH,
-dogboy- '87 FJ60

 

[VTCruiser]

the box ends are gone (cut off) but the pump ends i still have....i think.....i will check tonight to see if those ends will fit the 1HZ pump. If so, maybe i can use those fittings and either (A) modify FJ aftermarket lines (if different)? or (B) have a shop make me a set using those pump fittings and the FJ box fittings, which they should be able to identify, right? (B) is probably the better option as long as i can get those FJ box fittings seperate...I am pretty sure i can get FJ60 lines at the local part store, i'll check at lunch...

but if the 1HZ pump and FJ pump share fittings, (i think we have agreed that the boxes are the same) than a FJ60 pwr steering pressure line should do the trick, depending on length...phew, just trying to keep things straight...

hmmmm....

EDIT: Thanks dogboy, ill give that shot...

 

[Big_Moose]

VT

Just go to any "industrial hose" shop / vendor, and either have them make the lines, or better yet, purchase rebuildable ends & hose, & build the line yourself.

I would assume that they are "18 mm" and "16 mm" x 1.00 (?) thread pitch. I generally change the high pressure lines with these rebuildable lines for trail repair

Joe

 

[Landpimp]

your kidding right? I can't imagine that if you ask them " I have a fj60 I am swaping a hz dsl(from Japan) into".......................thats gonna be a short phone call

but heck I didn't know they have a tech #, have you treid it?

VTCruiser,

Toyota has a technical help desk that should be able to answer your parts compatibility question. Here's the number: 1-800-GO TOYOTA

HTH,
-dogboy- '87 FJ60

 

[VTCruiser]

Here's the info i got for the parts store:

They do offer FJ60 hose for $48.08 that is 32 1/8" long, which should be plenty. The fittings are also teh same on both ends: 16mm with an inverted flare. They also said they can make me a hose using old fittings if need be.

I am going to call the toyota number and try to get the 1HZ pump specs...

Moose - can you elaborate more on these "rebuildable" lines? I have no "local" industrial hose shop to my knowledge, can i get them online somewhere?

 

[VTCruiser]

just tried it twice from my cell and it said the number is no longer in service?....

 

[VTCruiser]

i got it through a hard line, and they said to talk to a delaership....

 

[dogboy2]

i got it through a hard line, and they said to talk to a delaership....

what a bunch of jokers! I called three local dealerships last week looking for specific tech info on my truck to which no one could accurately answer. the third dealership gave me that number to phone but they were closed at the time of my call. hmmm..... let me get back to you on this one

-dogboy- '87 FJ60

 

[dogboy2]

O.K., here's the skinny: call Toyota Customer Relations @ 1-800-331-4331. Tell them you have a technical question regarding your Land Cruiser and was referred to the above number by your local dealership. Ask them to transfer you to the Technical Assistance department if they don't do so automatically.

Post back with your experience: if the above doesn't work, I'll go out and personally wring the neck of the service writer at the Toyota dealership who passed all of that on to me.

-dogboy- '87 FJ60

 

[Big_Moose]

VT

Most OEM hoses, etc., have a "crimped" end on the hose, so when the hose breaks, etc., you have to purchase a new hose assembly.

The rebuildable [think of the AN type hoses / compression type fittings for high pressure hose] hose ends allow you to disassemble the end fittings, install new piece of hose, and reattach the ends [great when in the back country] and you are good to go!

http://hose-man.com/sys-tmpl/door/ [won't even mention what came under the "hoseman" search, ]

 

[Landpimp]

this is the part # i used on my 40, its an Edelmann brand, 71210, I stop at the store and ask what its for, lenghts ect.

 

[Landpimp]

fits 82-87 fj60, 32.5" 16mm male inverted flare fittinig on both ends.
this worked on my 82fj40 OEM set up

I looked and found nothing for the dsl 60's

this is the part # i used on my 40, its an Edelmann brand, 71210, I stop at the store and ask what its for, lenghts ect.

 

[VTCruiser]

Well here's a new twist: according to my "connection" in Canada, the 1HZ (at least the newer ones) have a ring and bolt style fitting on the pump side. There is a threaded bolt that is drilled out and with 4 holes around its diameter to allow the flow of fluid to the "ring" it goes through at the end of the hose. At the box side is a flared 17mm fitting (that would be the 70 series box). He didn't know if this had changed since the early 90s when my 1HZ was made... I recall that style fitting from the 2H pump so hopefully it is the same and I can make a new line with that old fitting and a 16mm inverted flare fitting at the box....i gotta take some measurements tonight...


Dog - That's the number but unfortunately they would only give me a PSI figure, that's it.

Pimp - hmm, Edelmann brand.....Gates is all i have seen around here, i ask if they carry those...

Moose - Thanks for the info, do you know if this "ring and bolt" style fitting is available as a rebuildable? I guess I will call but it seems pretty specialized...

 

[fergus]

If you have all the steel ends you can drill(to fit the OD of the steel line) out a AN plug and braze the old fittings in to it.Then run AN fittings with high pressure hose you can put together(carefully-kinda like a compression fitting)Most local hydraulic shops have these fittings and hose.I replaced my cracked and seeping 20 year old cobbled together FJ60 to GM pump hose with one and it works great.
Thanks Dick for the help on this!

HTH

 

[VTCruiser]

Well I went down to the shop to check out the situation first hand. Fortunately, in stead of having the pressure line removed from the 1HZ, it was just cut and plugged, so i have the 1HZ pump fitting i need if i get one made up.

I still am not 100% sure that the HJ and FJ boxes are the same. As mentioned, i can get the 1HZ hose with a 17mm box fitting, so if the HJ has a 17mm box fitting, i can buy that hose.

I am going to ask someone in the international section with a HJ60 to throw a wrench on their box fitting to see what size it is. That way i'll know for sure. There a pic of the HJ box incase you guys can help identify it. If it is 16mm I guess I will have one made up using the used 1HZ pump fitting and a 16mm or maybe adapt one of those rebuildable ones.

Fergus, thanks for the info. I am still hoping there is a bolt up solution but i will keep that in mind as a last resort.

thanks guys

 

[Stickboy]

Looks very similar to what I had to do with my Fj60 swap and 13bt motor.

here's the easiest solution I can think of. Forget all the Toyota spec stuff.

Take a piece of soft wire that'll hold it's shape and bend it exactly how you'd like the line to end up. Take the fittings that'll fit each end of your lines or measure the pitches/diameters and take those numbers with you to your local hydraulic hose shop. I can't imagine a town without some sort of Catepillar, Farm Implement, Industrial, even some Napa's not having a hydraulic crimping shop available. They might not have all the stuff in stock but should be able to order it. Look for Weatherhead, Parker, Catepillar, or Aeroquip fittings. Those are the big guys in hydraulics. Take the parts down and they should be able to silver solder solid bends and put flexible hydraulic line in anywhere you want. I had a pretty odd custom bent line done for $35 that took 1hr to make.

I've done this on many cars and have learned that trying to talk vehicle application is a big headache and sticking with measurements/thread pitches/pressures is MUCH simpler and way cheaper.

If you are in a real pickle for hydraulic lines, I might be able to dig up something out of my leftovers from the 70 and 60 series parts in my shop.

-mike