Status on 90915-20004 filters
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whodat said:
That made me laugh too...
Well get them or not I just order a small stash from the REAL C-Dan.
Mot- Now might be your time to move in on the parts dept....Dan had to ask me what year my truck was!!! GEEZ he is slipping!
I was sitting here reading 'Mud when I called him....could he sense that? J/k Dan you are the best parts dealer even.
depending on the final shipped price, I could be interested in getting a case or two. I have a few of the 20004s laying around and a few of the good big ones I got from CDan a while back...but a few more couldn't hurt.
Drum roll, please.
Hey, when I was trying to write this I thought of doing a reverse search to see what other vehicles used the same filter and the search yielded the following vehicles (US applications):
'05(Aug)- Hilux Surf (Surf/GX?): 1GRFE..GRN215
'99(Aug)- '02(Aug) Land Cruiser: 2UZFE..UZJ100
'02(Aug)- Land Cruiser: 2UZFE...UZJ100
It's hard for me to imagine that CDan wouldn't have thought of this nor come up with these. Or probably the filter(s) for all these rigs have been superceeded(?) by the replacement filter. That's what it is, eh? Sorry!!! I'm a little dense.
I don't know the retail price on them, but you can bet it's more than the US listed price. Another filter listed for close to 1500 yen.
Anyway, the Jdan
price is 1,235 yen ($10.56US). That is my cost.
He charges me $9 regardless of how many or few I order, so if I orered a whole bunch, the cost per filter is kept at minimum.
How many of you know how much each filter in its box weighs.... anyone?
Now you can continue if this hasn't turned you off completely, yet.
If we want to go cheap we should do the slowboat shipping, instead of express air (which is cheaper than regular air for some reason).
Just to give you an idea here are some shipping cost numbers (I'm doing 100 yen to $1US for the ease of conversion):
Express air Slowboat
500 grams (a little over 1 lbs): $15 $18
1250 grams (3 lbs-ish): $28 $23.50
3000 grams (7 lbs-ish): $54 $29
5000 grams (11 lbs-ish): $82 $40
10000 grams (22 lbs-ish): $140 $67.50
20000 grams (44 lbs-ish): $250 $100
Anyway, since this is something most of you are interested in not because of the bling factor, but for your engine protection, I don't want to charge an arm and a leg for them. However, I feel that this is probably beyond reach for almost everybody even w/o factoring in for my time/effort.
So how many filters does 44 lbs buy??? and devide $100 by however many filters it gets and you'll get the rough price, per filter.
Anyway, gotta run! (Gotta go to my son's school today; it's an observation day for parents)
Let me know what you think or if anyone is crazy enough to be still interested. ;p
Mot
Hey, when I was trying to write this I thought of doing a reverse search to see what other vehicles used the same filter and the search yielded the following vehicles (US applications):
'05(Aug)- Hilux Surf (Surf/GX?): 1GRFE..GRN215
'99(Aug)- '02(Aug) Land Cruiser: 2UZFE..UZJ100
'02(Aug)- Land Cruiser: 2UZFE...UZJ100
It's hard for me to imagine that CDan wouldn't have thought of this nor come up with these. Or probably the filter(s) for all these rigs have been superceeded(?) by the replacement filter. That's what it is, eh? Sorry!!! I'm a little dense.
I don't know the retail price on them, but you can bet it's more than the US listed price. Another filter listed for close to 1500 yen.
Anyway, the Jdan
price is 1,235 yen ($10.56US). That is my cost.He charges me $9 regardless of how many or few I order, so if I orered a whole bunch, the cost per filter is kept at minimum.
How many of you know how much each filter in its box weighs.... anyone?
Now you can continue if this hasn't turned you off completely, yet.
If we want to go cheap we should do the slowboat shipping, instead of express air (which is cheaper than regular air for some reason).
Just to give you an idea here are some shipping cost numbers (I'm doing 100 yen to $1US for the ease of conversion):
Express air Slowboat
500 grams (a little over 1 lbs): $15 $18
1250 grams (3 lbs-ish): $28 $23.50
3000 grams (7 lbs-ish): $54 $29
5000 grams (11 lbs-ish): $82 $40
10000 grams (22 lbs-ish): $140 $67.50
20000 grams (44 lbs-ish): $250 $100
Anyway, since this is something most of you are interested in not because of the bling factor, but for your engine protection, I don't want to charge an arm and a leg for them. However, I feel that this is probably beyond reach for almost everybody even w/o factoring in for my time/effort.
So how many filters does 44 lbs buy???
and devide $100 by however many filters it gets and you'll get the rough price, per filter. Anyway, gotta run! (Gotta go to my son's school today; it's an observation day for parents)
Let me know what you think or if anyone is crazy enough to be still interested. ;p
Mot
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They come in a box of 10 and I just weighed my last full box (private stash, don't even bother to ask ) and the box of 10 is just over 6 lbs.
So, it looks like they would be about 20 bucks a rattle.
) and the box of 10 is just over 6 lbs.So, it looks like they would be about 20 bucks a rattle.
cruiserdan said:
Wow, what a bargain. Put me down for none.
Assuming that each box weighs exactly 3kgs (little over 6lbs) and also assuming that the dimensions (no idea how big each box is though) are within limits, you can theoretically send 10 boxes at a time via slowboat (30kg limit), but probably exceed the size limit of 1.05m (about 42"; maximal length)
That would make it $137.50 to ship for 100 filters and $1.38 per filter for shipping. Add that to the $10.56 price and each filter costs a little shy of $12, delivered to your door. ;p
But since I'm not running a charity here so I'll have to charge you $$$$ for my service, which will make this deal unrealistic for everyone, except maybe Bill Gates.
Yes, I'm still here.
That would make it $137.50 to ship for 100 filters and $1.38 per filter for shipping. Add that to the $10.56 price and each filter costs a little shy of $12, delivered to your door. ;p
But since I'm not running a charity here so I'll have to charge you $$$$ for my service, which will make this deal unrealistic for everyone, except maybe Bill Gates.
Yes, I'm still here.
mot, there is definitely an appetite for these if the price can get down. i believe the part # for nippon denso for this filter is 115010-5021. perhaps you can source it from a denso vendor for less than oem. a quick google using that number turned up one website i could not read
semlin said:mot, there is definitely an appetite for these if the price can get down. i believe the part # for nippon denso for this filter is 115010-5021. perhaps you can source it from a denso vendor for less than oem. a quick google using that number turned up one website i could not read
Can you please recheck that part #? It is not coming up in the Denso database I am searching. I am showing the # to be 150-1003.
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
What's wrong with the big filter guys? It's the Land Cruiser standard for over 30 years, and given the # of 2Fs still driving after all this time, I suspect they are plenty good. I have Dan send me 2 each time I order. Heck, I still have a few of the 04 small filters and I didn't even use one last time around on my 80 in favor of the traditional big filter. And before you ask, no start rattle either.
Think about this...the small filters are speced on what years?? 96-97. Which years have (supposedly) the highest incidence of HG failure? 96-97. Coincidence?
One other advantage of the big filter, is that it is easier to take off. Nothing wrong with the small filter, I just don't see the justification for all this concern that you can't get one in the USA. I'd love to see some science here and resolve the debate. How about starting with filtration particle size, and max flow rate under load before bypass. That sounds like a job for e9999.
Think about this...the small filters are speced on what years?? 96-97. Which years have (supposedly) the highest incidence of HG failure? 96-97. Coincidence?
One other advantage of the big filter, is that it is easier to take off. Nothing wrong with the small filter, I just don't see the justification for all this concern that you can't get one in the USA. I'd love to see some science here and resolve the debate. How about starting with filtration particle size, and max flow rate under load before bypass. That sounds like a job for e9999.
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Really the only minus about the big one is the ammount of oil it barfs when you remove it and it's like the monkey that has ahold of the bananna through the cage bars. You can't get that hot potato out past the intake manifold while you have a grip on it to keep it from spilling more hot oil......
If anything is going straight to anyones door... figure on another 25%-ish customs duty... unless you are going to have them prefilled with oil and try to claim them as used partsmot said:
. Of course that may screw up your weight estimate...
elmariachi said:
the # I gave is marked on the 20004 aitself nd I seem to recall someone long ago saying it was the denso pn#. The # you have might be for the later Thailand filter that crosses over to the 20004.
you know the big filter is fine, but it is expensive and it promotes start up rattle. I just like the small one and it's fun to try and get what we are not supposed to have.
Let me see if I understand...
1. The 20004 is the original new car break-in filter that we all like but is no longer available.
2. The newer/smaller replacements are not as desirable because they don't have the same element as the 20004, right?
1. The 20004 is the original new car break-in filter that we all like but is no longer available.
2. The newer/smaller replacements are not as desirable because they don't have the same element as the 20004, right?
elmariachi said:
It really is nit picking the new small filters made in thailand are still OK but not quite as well made and they have standard paper elements instlead of the depth filtration of the 20004,
the big Toyota filters (-41010?) are still Japanese and stil the same as they were 30 years ago, they are well made paper element filters but some get more start up rattle with the large filters.
you can see pics of diffrent cut open Toyota filters here
http://mkiv.com/techarticles/parts/toyota_filter/
also check out the links from there.
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The 15600-41010 part number is actually closer to 37 years old.
RavenTai said:
And why is it that there is rattle at start up with the bigger filter?
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
Maybe it's just me, but I like the idea that my FJ40 and FZJ80 are enough alike to use the same oil filter.
I have also run The Napa Gold 1515, and the Mobil1 filters, but now that I have a connection for the big -41010 filters, I don't see a reason to run anything else, that is until the -xxx04 filters come back to the states for $5 each...
I have also run The Napa Gold 1515, and the Mobil1 filters, but now that I have a connection for the big -41010 filters, I don't see a reason to run anything else, that is until the -xxx04 filters come back to the states for $5 each...
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elmariachi said:
It depends on the individual motor. Some 1FZ's tend to rattle a bit when they start cold. It's hard to predict and some engines are more prone than others. I have been assured by a very respected TMS tech buda that the rattle is not harmful but it does sound like s***. In most cases "rattlers" won't rattle if the engine is cranked for a couple seconds before it fires. It appears that the motor fires too quickly for it's own good.