SSR vs Toyo mt (1 Viewer)
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Totally different tires. The Toyo is marketed for road friendliness in a heavy duty MT, and it's really a rock tire more than a hardcore mud tire along the lines of the Goodyear MTR. If you are comparing Interco to Toyo, you'd probably be talking Toyo MT vs. TRXUS MT.
What is your usage?
What is your usage?
lowenbrau
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I've used SSRs for a while now because they actually work on the highway as well as the mud. I get about 30,000 miles out of them if I don't lose a sidewall first. It is a good all terrain tire. MTRs simply don't work well enough the mud for my purposes. I'm really interested in trying the Toyo. It seems to be extremely well made and rarely needs much balancing. The sidewalls seem better than the SSR (couldn't be worse really) and the pattern looks to work well on the road. The jury is out for the mud though. Time will tell. They do have the little ridges between the tread blocks that help eject the mud. This feature usually helps a lesser tire do better in the mud than it looks like it should.
Given your wheeling is in the Southwest, so serious mud is only an issue if you make it a destination, and you may deal with snow, there is really no reason to not buy a tire that is aggressive AT quality (think BFG AT level of comfort and noise) while providing excellent rock crawling characteristics and good snow performance (onroad and trail).
In that class, the Toyo MT has quickly developed the reputation of being cream of the crop because of the balancing issue on most MT's. I absolutely love trxus MT's as an all condition tire that is a great rock crawler as well, but as with any Interco you will manage balancing. The MTR is squarely on that list, but if price is close I'd go Toyo in a heartbeat.
I've never seen the SSR have an advantage of this type of tire in Colorado/Utah wheeling, and in fact I've seen similarly built rigs where I thought the MTR was the better rock tire for hardcore rock crawling.
If you want to go to a major bias for offroad, get radial IROKs.
Hope that helps.
I'll throw 2 cents and another option in - Mickey Thompson MTZ's. Very good mud, snow, ice, road, and rock. Plus they look kool.
SSR's have a horrible sidewall...
Either get a real swamper, or a tire like the Toyo/BFG/Goodyear MT that will have better on road manners and just as good off road manners as the SSR.
Either get a real swamper, or a tire like the Toyo/BFG/Goodyear MT that will have better on road manners and just as good off road manners as the SSR.
Toyo MTs with siped centers here and I LOVE them...For an aggressive MT tire they are very quiet on the road. I haven't had them off the road yet but in snow with the siping the 80 is like a snowmobile 
My second choice would have been the MT MTZs.
If you can afford to go with a MT one of the above two would be my choice. Otherwise a BFG AT or similar.
My second choice would have been the MT MTZs.
If you can afford to go with a MT one of the above two would be my choice. Otherwise a BFG AT or similar.
lowenbrau
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Absolutely right. You can practically push your finger through them. I couldn't put the road miles I do on a 'real' swamper though and around here in the muskeg the SSR kills the MTR and BFG. Finding a tire that works on rock and pavement seems a lot easier than one that works on mud and pavement. I'm hoping the Toyo will be it.
Go for the Toyo Open Country M/T!!! I switched from the bias Super Swampers (38.5") to Toyo 37's on my 91 FJ80 and what a HUGE difference!! Great on the highway, ice, deep snow....and we'll find out about mud with a few more days of melting here in Saskatchewan!!!!
Take a look at the Radial TSL... I ran them on my then-daily driver 40 for a couple years. Pretty good road manners, never had a sidewall problem, but that was before I really started wheeling hard...
I've had a little experience with Toyo M/T's that we've installed on trucks at Urban Land Cruiser, and while they certainly have great road manners for an M/T, the tread pattern doesn't seem like it woudl be any better in muck than your typical M/T.
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I've been using Toyo MTs since late last summer and I'm really happy with them. They handle much better than the GoodYear MTRs that I used to have. Plus it looks like they are wearing better.
I've only taken them off road once and they preformed really well. If I needed new tires, I'd go with the Toyo MTs again.
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I've only taken them off road once and they preformed really well. If I needed new tires, I'd go with the Toyo MTs again.
Regards
Alvaro
Unless you live near mud, and you're only option of wheeling is mud, or going through that mud, then the MT will be a much better tire for you. SSRs are rough and loud and tread life on the road is very poor.
That tire is the trxus MT. And kicks in the rocks, too.
Unless having a tire that balances means anything to you. Wear pretty much sucks in my opinion too.
If you really want to do the math one spends a lot more time on road in an 80 than off road. Of course this excludes the trailer queen 80s. For example when I go to Moab I drive about 1200 miles of pavement and I bet I don't drive 100 miles off pavement. So percentage wise leaning towards a more road friendly tire makes sense.
I run the Toyo MTs and I would buy them again in a heartbeat if they were affordable. Our local dealers are screwing folks on them. Almost $300 for a 315 is ridiculous in my opinion. I have one that only required .5 of an ounce for balance. I think my highest right now is 2.5 ounces. The sidewalls are great and they stand up to Idaho lava rock. I think I paid $206 per tire.
For a serious mud tire I'd go with the TSL Radial. I like the Iroks but they suck for wear if you are a pavement pounder.
Hi Bruce.
I wonder how many pooched sidewalls are on the 15" 6 ply, vs the 8-10 ply 16", 16.5 and 17" varients? Not that've wheeled my 35x10.5R16's consistantly really hard, but I've yet (knock on wood) to punch a wall. I have taken a stem off pushing the sidewall past a root.
I will be interested in your feedback on the Toyo.
I've probably got 15,000kms on them now, and lots of tread left.
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gb
They balance. Takes a lot of weight, but they balance and ride easily as nice as a BFG AT.
It's all about what compromise you want. If Toyos are as good as trxus in all kinds of winter weather, then you pay whatever premium on those tires if winter driving matters to you. If they aren't as good, then I'll pay the balance premium for the traction.
I have put them through every condition I can imagine and they are always at least good, if not excellent, in the traction dept. Just gotta rotate and balance every 3K and don't expect more than 30K miles.
