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Is the 98/99 100 series full time 4wd different than the 80 series?
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Is the 98/99 100 series full time 4wd different than the 80 series?
justbecause
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would a 3fe full time 80 do better in slippery stuff than a 1fz since it has less power? less wheel spin?
Negative. There is a second start button in the later 80's that forces it to start in second gear and I think the a442 80s you just drop it down to 2 like in the 3fe 80s. Although I think I might remember reading something about the a442 not having the ability to 2nd gear start.
no viscous coupler in the early 80's either which would force you to lock the center diff and disable ABS.
Even the unlocked 60 did really well. I was one of those idiots you guys were talking about driving too fast but I grew up in this weather. I drove from Auburn to Irondale on 280 yesterday and got behind another guy from Idaho. We were almost going the speed limit. I was amazed at the carnage out there and wished I had been around for it.
justbecause
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Negative. There is a second start button in the later 80's that forces it to start in second gear and I think the a442 80s you just drop it down to 2 like in the 3fe 80s. Although I think I might remember reading something about the a442 not having the ability to 2nd gear start.
no viscous coupler in the early 80's either which would force you to lock the center diff and disable ABS.
I am under the impression my 94 does not have the ability to start in 2nd, thats "winter drive" in the rodeo, I am not sure if the trooper has that or not.
Agree. A 4WD system that takes no thought. With the 60 there were times when I was shifting in and out of 4WD because I would be on a stretches of snow then hit a long patch of pavement.
ClankBang
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Finally made it home... there are still cars littering the roads in bluff park.
Spent the last two days in forest park with my sister inlaw.... woohoo..
Really liked the atrack but really hated the ABS.
Seriously hated it.
I almost hit a Rav 4 on tuesday .. the Cruiser just wouldn't stop and I was only crepping....
I avoided it by hitting the gas and guiding the cruiser around it.
Spent the last two days in forest park with my sister inlaw.... woohoo..
Really liked the atrack but really hated the ABS.
Seriously hated it.
I almost hit a Rav 4 on tuesday .. the Cruiser just wouldn't stop and I was only crepping....
I avoided it by hitting the gas and guiding the cruiser around it.
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ClankBang
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Land Speeder
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Gold Digger was an FJ60 in this weather.
But still excelled. So no complaints! The Aussies F&R were initially a concern when I went into 4Hi but did not limit me crawling around the streets. And that's just how we needed to do it, crawl.
Not sure having a fully locked up rig on ice slowed me down any than having unlocked axles.
But still excelled. So no complaints! The Aussies F&R were initially a concern when I went into 4Hi but did not limit me crawling around the streets. And that's just how we needed to do it, crawl.
Not sure having a fully locked up rig on ice slowed me down any than having unlocked axles.
I went through riverchase parkway west Tuesday taking people home. It's through a neighborhood and hilly. The road was closed also. There was lots of vehicle carnage. I saw an Audi that had suspension pieces all in the grass. I was going up a hill a had to stop to let the Volvo in front of my back down to get out of the way of another car coming the other way. I pulled into the left lane next to some abandoned cars and was out of the way. But it was super slick. I was hard on the brakes but the cruiser was slowly slipping down the hill. It finally stopped after inching down about 2 feet. I couldn't back up cause there were disabled cars behind me in the left lane. I got out and helped the people back down the hill so they could get out of my way. I wasn't sure if I could get enough traction to get started judging by how it had slid really slowly until it stopped on it own. I put it in low and locked the center and rear and thankfully nothing dramatic happened when I started moving. Made it over the top with no problem. All the ladies in the car with me were enjoying the adventure
ATRAC works well once you learn how to manipulate it. I'm in Mississippi on a job, but it was just as bad here. It will take a second to click in sometimes when it is dry like here:
http://s7.photobucket.com/user/bamabrock/media/CaliforniaPass_zpsd0e7005e.mp4.html
ATRAC and ABS worked fine for me. Those of you talking about braking, with or without abs, if the wheels ain't spinnin', you ain't steerin'. The best thing to do, in my experience, is to figure out what the fall line is for the slope that you're on, orient the truck parallel to it, and modulate transmission gear selection / clutch and brake to ensure that wheels are turning. As soon as something slips, game over. If there's sufficient traction, you can get away with it, but we've all seen videos of guys in the woods on a side hill, soon as something slips, they slide sideways into a tree. It's just like that on snow/ice, just really, really easy to slip. If you're trying to pile up debris under the tires to help stop, then you'd want to lock them all up. So I get that there are times you'd not want ABS. Having driven cars w/ and w/o ABS in snow... I kinda like having it. The trade off of longer stopping distances to me is worth the ability to control it under braking at slow speeds when super slippery.
The time I drove my Tacoma in the snow, I MUCH preferred ATRAC to the rear locker. Just let it do its thing, don't over-think it, and don't get aggressive. As with any driving on slippery surfaces, gentle inputs to gas, brakes, and steering, and keep it slow.
Tues and Wed I drove around in 4Lo unlocked, staying under 20mph, and the only time I locked the center diff was when I was pulling someone. The reasoning behind that was that I wanted VSC disabled so that engine power wouldn't be mitigated when things slipped, allowing ATRAC to do its thing and giving me full control over the power. If i'd stood on the gas things would have been bad in a hurry, but allowing a little bit of slippage so that ATRAC did its thing seemed to be the best way to me. Key is to keep throttle position constant at a point just after slippage happens, and let it click away.
I lol'd.
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I don't read the 100 forum, but the key to ATrac is staying under 5mph and 2000rpms. You go over either one of those parameters in an FJC and ATrac shuts off. I didn't need it (or didn't hear it kick in) in my travels yesterday. I kept it in 4LO when on twisty icy roads and 4HI on roads that were salted and more or less clear. Dropped my tires down to 18psi and only had one hiccup yesterday on a slick hill climb. Ice was 1" thick on a shaded road (no sun exposure from tree cover). Had to break out the 20lb bag of kitty litter I packed.
We were on the surface roads around Decatur for about 9 hours helping folks and having a good day.
Oh, and Tuesday AM when the weathermen all said it was coming I made sure to grab one of my 30' tow straps as I walked out the door to go to work. I thought I'd need to help someone. Most in my office left at 1 or 2pm, but I saw google maps and it was red everywhere. I stayed til 4:30 and stayed off the highways. Took secondary roads through downtown ATL and saw buses sliding around. Kept my truck to a crawl and it did just what I wanted it to do - get me home (90 min to go 14 miles). I was almost home and saw a red Silverado trying to get up a slight hill, so I stopped to ask if he wanted a tug. He waved me off and gave it more gas. He wouldn't even roll down his window to talk to me. If he didn't want tow, at least I was gonna tell him to try a little left foot braking cause it wasn't much of a hill. He had nothing in the bed and therefore too much right foot and not enough weight on the drive wheels.
We were on the surface roads around Decatur for about 9 hours helping folks and having a good day.
Oh, and Tuesday AM when the weathermen all said it was coming I made sure to grab one of my 30' tow straps as I walked out the door to go to work. I thought I'd need to help someone. Most in my office left at 1 or 2pm, but I saw google maps and it was red everywhere. I stayed til 4:30 and stayed off the highways. Took secondary roads through downtown ATL and saw buses sliding around. Kept my truck to a crawl and it did just what I wanted it to do - get me home (90 min to go 14 miles). I was almost home and saw a red Silverado trying to get up a slight hill, so I stopped to ask if he wanted a tug. He waved me off and gave it more gas. He wouldn't even roll down his window to talk to me. If he didn't want tow, at least I was gonna tell him to try a little left foot braking cause it wasn't much of a hill. He had nothing in the bed and therefore too much right foot and not enough weight on the drive wheels.
Blackdog
"Y'all smell that?"
Observations on my 80's performance
It sounds like everyone fared well over the past few days. I remember the old days when we would use the reason "just need to circulate the lube in the 4wd system" to lock in the hubs and joy ride on the street in the snow. This time it was "I just have to get home".
I have experimented with different approaches to driving in this kind of mess since I got my cruiser and have found the one that works best for me is to use 4H and second start along with second gear and when on the slick stuff, lock the center diff. There is the drawback of the 7 pin mod. With the seven pin mod you gain the extra stability of the locked center but loose the benefit of ABS. I live in a neighborhood where you have to climb a substantial grade from any of the four entrances. I had no problems coming and going other than the other people who were unprepared to drive on days like these. I did wind up parking my cruiser and getting a friend to shuttle me into the neighborhood in his heep on Tuesday night only in an effort to keep from damaging my truck or some other poor bastids ford F150. If I were not more scrupulous than some people in my 'hood I could have driven through peoples yards and destroyed property along the way. I left that to those who feel more entitled than myself. Long story short......The 80 is the best all around driver on the road for almost any weather situation. A lot of people will be out next week shopping for a 4wd. Most of these people, like a lot of the people we all saw out on the roads this week, will own a 4WD the next time this happens. The sad truth is these same people will either be out at work in there primary vehicle and the new 4WD will be home in the garage, or they will be operating a vehicle capable of handling the situation but have no idea how to properly operate it. This is the real value of clubs like ours. We have collectively made learning how to get the most out of these vehicles our hobby and passion. Hearing about all the humanitarian acts during this event makes me proud to be associated with a group like Y'all.
It sounds like everyone fared well over the past few days. I remember the old days when we would use the reason "just need to circulate the lube in the 4wd system" to lock in the hubs and joy ride on the street in the snow. This time it was "I just have to get home".
I have experimented with different approaches to driving in this kind of mess since I got my cruiser and have found the one that works best for me is to use 4H and second start along with second gear and when on the slick stuff, lock the center diff. There is the drawback of the 7 pin mod. With the seven pin mod you gain the extra stability of the locked center but loose the benefit of ABS. I live in a neighborhood where you have to climb a substantial grade from any of the four entrances. I had no problems coming and going other than the other people who were unprepared to drive on days like these. I did wind up parking my cruiser and getting a friend to shuttle me into the neighborhood in his heep on Tuesday night only in an effort to keep from damaging my truck or some other poor bastids ford F150. If I were not more scrupulous than some people in my 'hood I could have driven through peoples yards and destroyed property along the way. I left that to those who feel more entitled than myself. Long story short......The 80 is the best all around driver on the road for almost any weather situation. A lot of people will be out next week shopping for a 4wd. Most of these people, like a lot of the people we all saw out on the roads this week, will own a 4WD the next time this happens. The sad truth is these same people will either be out at work in there primary vehicle and the new 4WD will be home in the garage, or they will be operating a vehicle capable of handling the situation but have no idea how to properly operate it. This is the real value of clubs like ours. We have collectively made learning how to get the most out of these vehicles our hobby and passion. Hearing about all the humanitarian acts during this event makes me proud to be associated with a group like Y'all.
Blackdog
"Y'all smell that?"
The pic above was where I left my truck Tuesday night. I could have gone around to the right through a neighbors yard like others had........but I gotta drive by and look at the guy everyday. Wednesday morning I talked to the homeowner and got the goahead to drive on his yard. I promised him a bag of grass seed for his kindness.
BTW That ford was creeping down the hill sideways the next morning. Glad to get out of harms way.
BTW That ford was creeping down the hill sideways the next morning. Glad to get out of harms way.
justbecause
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Is there a difference between 80 and 100 4 wheel drive system? What about other120 series full time like the 4runners that are full time?
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I believe all the 100s have an open diff in the transfer case which can be locked. They don't have a viscous coupler like the 80s. 2000 I guess is when they took the rear locker out and added a-trac.
4runners with the full time transfer case I believe have a Torsten center diff.
I know the 200s have a Torsten center diff. I don't think any 100 had that.
justbecause
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Alright I guess that means I really need to learn exactly what a vicious coupler is.
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Land Speeder
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Your last few posts have given me a small glimpse into why exactly you think the 80 is an inferior vehicle.... it's because you don't know shunt about it.
start another thread please. This one is about snow-white.
or better yet. read the newbies guides on Slee's website.
start another thread please. This one is about snow-white.
or better yet. read the newbies guides on Slee's website.