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And anyone with an '02 or earlier should trade up for an '03+ since they have the optional side airbags. Side airbags have proven to save lives. Really! I read it in Consumer Reports. 

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And anyone with an '02 or earlier should trade up for an '03+ since they have the optional side airbags. Side airbags have proven to save lives. Really! I read it in Consumer Reports.![]()
I wish I had a VSC off switch, thats what I wished.
You do. It's the CDL button.
DUH, but I dont always want the CDL locked when the VSC is off.
By thw way...it's VSC that's the safety enhancer. (Not TRAC)
And it's BS that vehicles equipped with it are not safer than ones without it. It's a proven fact that VSC saves lives no matter the driver's skill. CRAP happens, ready or not...and VSC can save your ass especially on a top-heavy SUV.
And my god.....more vehicles don't have it so that means it's not a worth wild enhancement. It's newer tech....duhhhh....it costs money.....duh....BUT...it's being added to almost ALL new models and for a reason. It's being demanded by buyers and it saves lives.
Let's end the denial? You want your stock 98-99 on two wheels while swerving (like the testing)? Or, do you want all four wheels on the ground like in the 2000's testing? Now imagine a lift and bigger tires. Good Lord!
That would be cool, VSC off and CDL not locked! Would be great for rally style driving in the snow!
In my response I was commenting on the ATRAC comment above (he said ATRAC not VSC), I won't argue that the VSC is not a valuable safety feature. But at the same time I don't think that vehicles are un-safe without it. Not having VSC does not kill people, it is their driving and inability to control the vehicle to avoid an accident that kills them. Obviously VSC is supposed to help people better control the vehicle. Slowing down and not forcing a vehicle to a point where it needs VSC for the driver to maintain control would be a safer practice than driving in a manner where it is needed and at that point really the purpose of it becomes useless. Of course, this would be a perfect world which the world is not.
I think your argument about something being newer technology and costs money and being demanded by buyers is not really a good argument for VSC. Not all new technology is better, not everything that costs more is better, and not everything that consumers demand is better either. I could provide oodles of examples of products where your arguments used for justification would show that these statements were not valid. I think the function of VSC would be a good enough argument for it without trying to justify it as better because it is newer, costs more, and their is a consumer need.
If you are going to use those things for your argument you better sell that crappy old 100 series and upgrade to the 200 as it has newer technology, costs more money, and consumers have demanded changes to the Land Cruiser line. By using your argument it must be a lot better in the safety department and you should spend your nights being fearful of the proposition of having to drive that archaic 100 you have with the over sized tires. I'm definitely not going to use your argument to defend that the 200 is quite possibly much safer than any 100, but I do believe it. Not only has the safety technology been upgraded, but so have the actual mechanical features of the 200.
I'd choose a stock 98/99 over a modified rig with VSC if safety was my only concern because there are other compromises with a modified rig other than stability that would be more of a daily safety hazard.
I don't have to imagine a lifted 99, I drive it every day, and it has those monstrous 315s too! Yep, that sucker is a death trap that is why I have a hard time sleeping every night because I let my wife and kids ride in it daily.![]()
I don't have to imagine a lifted 99, I drive it every day, and it has those monstrous 315s too! Yep, that sucker is a death trap that is why I have a hard time sleeping every night because I let my wife and kids ride in it daily.![]()
I thought the $5k premium was a bit much for a vehicle I was only driving 5-6k miles per year.