SAS 100 gonna happen sooner or later

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Not if your chopping off the whole front frame on a taco to make it better which in my opinion is the best way... Redo everything fr on firewall forward because as mine is now up travel is limited by oil pan and frame rails/HI steer interference.
 
Mainly because I like frame height to be 25" or less
 
Build it man. Please just do it.

She's no virgin build.....several flags upon the top of the small mountain already.

That said, only Podvin's stands out as a departure from 80ish form, which I don't see a point in, since a UZJ80 (radius arms/5 link rear) is more feasible, in my opinion.

Sure many will snicker,:flipoff2:, but the 120 crowd that've ventured down with path might be worth taking design cues from, as the same front and rear frame issues faced on a 100 have been dealt with on the 120/150s (FJC/T4R) linked front and rear suspensions.

Frame height ain't gonna be an issue, because you'll have no choice but for it to be monstrously tall, yet you won't benefit much from, because the links will be much lower than the rails.

Think belly pan covered in HDPE 'cause it's gonna slide over rocks like an anaconda after a big lunch.

Frame width up front is conducive for, since the IFS consumes so much room, but can't have any aversion to cutting sheet metal or relocating inner mounted hardware.

Rear, however, poses all kinds of challenges.....I think easier to address by chopping off the subframe and replacing, but can french into and box the frame rails for CO clearance, just more work and unnecessary.

Again, no aversion to cutting sheet metal, otherwise it's a fail and there's gonna be a lot that needs to be renoved.....so much so, it's better to cut about 8" aft the b pillar, and be rid of the headache, altogether.

Full widths are the way to go, but none of that junkyard crap. Customs all the way through, save the 9.5" diffs, of course, even if it means part time to keep the front shaft happy.

To go this far, you'd wanna plan to drop the lowest gear sets available in, which still suck for an all out crawler. Kinda like comparing a Honda to a John Deere, but no other options.

39s minimum.

Prolly $20k to do it right, but it's only money and you'll have the ability to crawl atop the small mountain and run over the previous flags, setting the bar for future illogical builders, and she'll (the mountain) think she was still a virgin before your conquest.

This chick did the same thing, like many others, taking a brand or nearly new, +40k Cruiser derivative from the lot to the lift, hacking on brand new frame paint, to turn it into their own version of "how Mr. T should've built it.

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(Pic circa early '07)

So you can do it, too!!
 
We can have 99% of the fun for less than half the price with available bolt on mods. The trail and life in general is more fun when driver skill is exercised and there is plenty of cash left for the next adventure. Anybody can drive a buggy over a bolder, but to get a nearly stock rig through a challenge that many thought impossible seems more fun to me.

Happy spending!
 
Yeah, 'cause anyone and everyone can love a hawt chick, but it takes a real man to love a fat ass troll.....

Reckon every platform specific subforum has it's own existential debates, but between the 80 and 100's, I've never heard so much "I have a little ****, but it works just fine.

Not saying there's no room for making the case that an illogical build is exactly that, but rationalizing why it's uncool to attempt because OE rocks, is asinine.
 
Yes!!! Now that's the first really good reply with some good points to be made!! I agree that when the frame and or bracketry/mounting is in the way you just cut it off and start again. All good things to consider... The overall height might end up being the killer... I think that more travel could be obtained than the ifs has without lifting it too much, but I don't know that for certain.
 
Btw comparing a $70k buggy to an sas rig is silly, sas'ing a truck is not as hardcore as you think and driver skill to me is exponentially beneficial when your rig is more capable.
 
Since I'm a dork I'd love to see a lower front Control arm replacement that extends the wheel position out farther so I can run larger tires and improve travel.

Sas is cool and where I want to go but cost ☺
 
Haha I agree it was exciting for a minute,.. Like swivel beer holder exciting, better than a regular cup holder
 
I believe the poster who mentioned that the factory solid axle 100 series trucks were running on 80 series frames is correct.

Wouldn't have stated if I didn't feel relatively accurate, but to further.

There are subtle differences between the 80/105, but much less, overall, than the 100/105.

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I don't have the same detail on the 80 digitized and accessible, but to compare to.

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See how both the 80 and 105 remain straight and narrow to the crossmember, where the 100 flares out before?

It's that key distinction, along with others at the frame, axle and drivetrain that might indicate Mr. T's BAC the day the 105 was added to the 100 family.

This implies that significant frame mods are necessary, which makes the job more challenging than SAS on newer Toyota pickups.

Can't speak for newer Toyota trucks....but they're not Land Cruisers, nor produced anywhere within the vicinity, thereof.

A close cousin to the 100 that is IFS, was produced in the same hood, and does carry some lineage, is the FJC.

Same challenges to SA/link, but it's all been done numerous times, from high end fab shops to junk yard builds (ie lakerat here on mud).

In short, don't attempt to replicate the 80, regardless of it's closeness to a 105, because the 100 is a much further departure from both, than they are each other.

Plus, links are so in, right now.
 
Yep, Delancy is right, Toyota already made an SAS 100 from the factory, The FZJ105. I've got one and it is a beast. Just wait until they hit 25 years old and you can import one from South America. I only wish they had put the V8 in them to give it some more guts and the manual operated locker like the Troopies, or even a limited slip that works.

The chassis parts from the 80 are interchangeable with the 105, it's the only way I can find parts shipped from the USA is to search for a 97 FZJ80. Haven't had a fit problem yet.
 
Jeez, this thread started out with emotions flaring!

Plus, links are so in, right now.

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There's my contribution. Now get to it :flipoff2:
 
Um. Negativity? Really? SLEE has a well documented SAS and others have done it. Not a new concept. I think if he wants to do it, go for it...I would love to see more SAS's. But he started his post by knocking hard on the 100 series for having "crap" IFS. That's just ignorant. And he also makes big boasts about how he knows better than SLEE how to inexpensively how to do a swap. That's also ignorant. If he does a swap, I'll be watching cause it will be learning experience for me to see someone do a swap. So document it here for us....if
you do one. I swear, this is the third time in a month I've been told I'm being negative when I merely called out big talk. So, if you do the swap, do document it here. Cool stuff
 
No no I never said it was inexpensive... If you paid a shop it probably would be 20 grand!!
 
And torsion bars don't do so well they could have at least done coil over ifs...
 
And torsion bars don't do so well they could have at least done coil over ifs...
I'm definitely in this camp, Toyota put out plenty vehicles at the same time at the 100 that had coilover IFS... Why the 100 is on a front platform much like the mid 80's minis will never make sense to me...
 
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