RHD Ban in Quebec

[canucksafari]

I wonder, which other province will be next to ban RHD? BTW, there was no consultation with owners or importers.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/281308-rhd-ban-quebec.html

Quebec Bans RHD - IVOAC.ca Forums

If you happen to talk to or write to a canidate for the povincial election, you might want to tell them you are concerned and then ask them their views. I wonder, could BC be far behind?

 

[Fantom]

that's a lovely communistic/dictatorship approach to it. Glad to see it's a democratic country not ruled at all by any business interests. At least in communist times you knew you had no rights and were told what to do and believe, here it's starting to almost look like, you can have a choice and do it....as long as it doesn't contradict "our" will. Hopefully it'll stay a "French" thing only but might as well be harassing the liars....I mean politicians.

 

[Fantom]

Here is an interesting question I have, since there are several different government and service vehicles that are right hand drive (postal vans, garbage/recycling trucks) do the drivers of these go through some special driving school so they can be allowed to drive a RHD vehicle? if not, then what is the difference between them and the rest of us? those vehicles are also on highways, as well as regular roads. How come they don't pose a risk while JDM drivers do?

 

[bj70_guy]

Here is an interesting question I have, since there are several different government and service vehicles that are right hand drive (postal vans, garbage/recycling trucks) do the drivers of these go through some special driving school so they can be allowed to drive a RHD vehicle? if not, then what is the difference between them and the rest of us? those vehicles are also on highways, as well as regular roads. How come they don't pose a risk while JDM drivers do?

Amen.
This is weird, a ban for 180 days. What a crock, can't have the new car dealers unhappy.

Like Wayne says, if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. Apparently the fight isn't over. Bummer.

 

[canucksafari]

Its the slippery slope. The good news is that a Quebec based protest movement has mushroomed in 24 hours: NON à l'interdiction des JDM au Québec! (I signed the petition. It just asked for name and email - not address) I figure that if they spin it to say that the provincial Liberals in Quebec are limiting the freedom of Quebecers to prop up the Federal Conservatives bail-out of the Ontario Big 3 auto industry, then they have a good chance to slam them so hard that all governements across the country might think twice about trying the same thing. The danger we face is if some of the import owners outside of Quebec go off half cocked and it looks like non-Quebers are telling the newly elected government in Quebec what they can and can not do. (The top spins both ways.) I am hoping that we will be able to support the growing movement in Quebec when they ask by some simple but effective media friendly protests.

It'll also be interesting to see how many of the businesses that benefit from the import vehicle market step up to the plate with what matters: $$$. So far, I know of two offers of financial contributions from exporters in Japan to support a media campaign. What we really need is some money to pay for a professional to tear apart the ICBC report and then hand that to the media.

 

[kim]

Its the slippery slope. The good news is that a Quebec based protest movement has mushroomed in 24 hours: NON à l'interdiction des JDM au Québec! (I signed the petition. It just asked for name and email - not address) I figure that if they spin it to say that the provincial Liberals in Quebec are limiting the freedom of Quebecers to prop up the Federal Conservatives bail-out of the Ontario Big 3 auto industry, then they have a good chance to slam them so hard that all governements across the country might think twice about trying the same thing. The danger we face is if some of the import owners outside of Quebec go off half cocked and it looks like non-Quebers are telling the newly elected government in Quebec what they can and can not do. (The top spins both ways.) I am hoping that we will be able to support the growing movement in Quebec when they ask by some simple but effective media friendly protests.

It'll also be interesting to see how many of the businesses that benefit from the import vehicle market step up to the plate with what matters: $$$. So far, I know of two offers of financial contributions from exporters in Japan to support a media campaign. What we really need is some money to pay for a professional to tear apart the ICBC report and then hand that to the media.

I would think that what is needed is access to all of the accident reports for RHD involved accidents, statistics for LHD vehicles of various classes and a statistician. Then you can dive into the ICBC 'study'.

 

[Vanny]

First dibs on a cheap HDJ81 when the ban comes in BC! So many potential diesel conversion donars. Hopefully this is just short term politics. Should protectionism in Quebec really be that surprising? They are the only province that can still legally mine and sell asbestos. Just another issue that doesn't make sense out there.

 

[canucksafari]

I would think that what is needed is access to all of the accident reports for RHD involved accidents, statistics for LHD vehicles of various classes and a statistician. Then you can dive into the ICBC 'study'.

We have the raw data from ICBC which we got through a freedom of info request. From what we can see - as non-professionals - there are many errors and claims made not supported by the data. I was going to post the link to the file with the data but it ooks like we lost the attachments when we changed the forum software. I got an email into our admin to see if he has it backed up on the old software and can repot it. Anyone know anyone with the prof qualifications to help tear it apart?

 

[Glenn-BJ74]

Proper Study Design

To properly isolate the alleged higher risk of accidents of RHD vehicles, the effects of age, sex and horsepower should be removed or 'normalized' in the data to isolate the RHD vehicle 'effects' alone. Each vehicle class/driver characteristics should be matched and compared carefully.

This is done by comparing similar types/horsepower vehicles and age classes of drivers, especially males 16 - 22 yrs. In some cases there may not be a comparable LHD vehicles to compare to some of the unique to North America RHD vehicles or data may be lacking. In those cases they should be set aside, because a comparison may include other effects than can skew the results.

The study should also consider non-JDM RHDs, such as postal trucks, recycling trucks that have driven in Canada and US for decades and compare their accident rates to similarly equipped LHD vehicles with comparable age/sex drivers. If the study is done properly the statistical outcomes can be relived upon, thereby eliminating subjective interpretative judgment. Comparing unlike vehicle/operator combinations will not generate reliable statistical results.

 

[canucksafari]

Glenn, its sounds like you know a thing or two about this. I just got a hold of where we have ICBC data:

http://www.cerberus.ca/IVOAC/RHD_Survival1.xls
http://www.cerberus.ca/IVOAC/RHD_PoissonReg2.xls
http://www.cerberus.ca/IVOAC/RHD_PoissonReg1.xls
http://www.cerberus.ca/IVOAC/RHD%20i...aw%20data1.xls
http://www.cerberus.ca/IVOAC/Explana...0Variables.doc
ICBC "40%" Raw Data. help tear it apart - Page 8 - IVOAC.ca Forums

Like I said, we need someone with professional qualifications to analyse it and be willing to make a public (media) statements about it. We have people making donations to squash this claim about RHD. So, if someone with the qualifications can take this on they can expect an honorarium.

Smashing this ICBC report is crucial to fighting all attempts to ban imported vehicles.

 

[bj70_guy]

The Canadian Auto Dealers Association wants us in new cars, bad. Take a look at their latest piece of propaganda:

http://www.cada.ca/Uploads/PDFS/public/gr_EN-2009-04-Right_Hand_Drive.pdf

It's unreal how much damage ICBC has been able to do with that @*!$@ing "study". No need for it to be true...

 

[canucksafari]

A big thanks Norm for posting this "smoking" propaganda gun. We always believed they were behind it all but never had any real hard proof.

As for the stats, we are still looking for a pro to help us blow ICBC "study" out of the water. I know have it all in one file and can email. Anyone???

 

[cruiser_guy]

Perhaps CADA rather than lamenting all the RHD vehicles coming over should instead see if they can meet the demands of consumers for the vehicles being imported. Namely diesel LandCruisers among other vehicles.

I dare say most folks are not getting the RHD vehicles solely because the steering wheel is on the "wrong side". They are getting vehicles not otherwise offered in North America and living with the RHD issues.

Offer what folks want in LHD and the RHD issues will go away on their own!

I have my diesel Land Cruiser but others who don't yet have one and would like one are going to get them one way or another. Frankly, I can't blame them.

 

[kim]

Perhaps CADA rather than lamenting all the RHD vehicles coming over should instead see if they can meet the demands of consumers for the vehicles being imported. Namely diesel LandCruisers among other vehicles.

I dare say most folks are not getting the RHD vehicles solely because the steering wheel is on the "wrong side". They are getting vehicles not otherwise offered in North America and living with the RHD issues.

Offer what folks want in LHD and the RHD issues will go away on their own!

I have my diesel Land Cruiser but others who don't yet have one and would like one are going to get them one way or another. Frankly, I can't blame them.

Absolutely agreed.

However, I suspect we're howling at the moon because the automotive companies don't care what a few thousand people, with very specific taste, want, it seems.

 

[Deny]

Absolutely agreed.

However, I suspect we're howling at the moon because the automotive companies don't care what a few thousand people, with very specific taste, want, it seems.

Oh I don't know for sure, but here is a little of my view. we may be a minority, but look at the mines. They exlusivly run diesel Landcruiser pickups. once it caught on, and it was discovered they outlasted the american trucks, it was a no brainer. Now looking at the oil patch up here, it seems the majority of the welder guys have caught on that the 12V cummins is the best there is for fuel economy and all around good engine. The majority of them run the 90's Dodges for the engine alone. I could see a huge hit if the HZJ79 was available brand new with a dealer option for turbo kit. I think it would change the truck market for sure, especaily if it caught on with fleet pickup trucks, with like say logging companies, construction companies, oil patch companies....... for a town (FSJ) that is not too import friendly, you guys should see how many of those little tiny quad like jap import pickup trucks are starting to pop up around here. Might take a few years, but I think if Toyota brought it, people would buy it.
my 2 cents.

 

[Granite Grinder]

And I think they run Land Cruisers in a couple of mines in Montana (or somewhere in the States)
GG

 

[canucksafari]

And I think they run Land Cruisers in a couple of mines in Montana (or somewhere in the States)
GG

I am sure they do. I have seen trucks pop up on US ebay and Craiglists. Not sure how they got them registered, as they were not 25 years old.

 

[BC40]

However, I suspect we're howling at the moon because the automotive companies don't care what a few thousand people, with very specific taste, want, it seems.

It's funny how that works. The CADA and insurance providers took notice and offense to the JDM market, but the manufacturers themselves won't provide vehicles that meet the demands of the JDM niche market.

 

[canucksafari]

It's funny how that works. The CADA and insurance providers took notice and offense to the JDM market, but the manufacturers themselves won't provide vehicles that meet the demands of the JDM niche market.

Toyota has no problem meeting the demands of the Taliban niche market. Perhaps our words are not the best weapons to get the message across?

 

[canucksafari]

TTT

I hope people are writting to their MLAs about their concerns and voicing their support for the imported vehicle market. Business owners especially should be telling their MLA that they are concerned and asking their MLAs if they support this kind of big business lead attack on small business.