Quebec ban now permanent

[crushers]

charter of rights is the issue here, not the safety.

but, as you know, my view of the North American 'sheep' is bitch in your beer but when it comes time to try something... well, go get another beer.

Wayne, the problem is the basic culture of the majority in Québec. Remember Duplessis, remember René Lévesque and remember Lucien Bouchard. People don't vote for politics, they vote for people with charisma and adulate them no matter what they really stand for, then obey them. There is simply no tradition of critical thinking and individual rights and freedoms in this province and no such concept as "civil disobedience". How many times have I been accosted with the remark "is it not illegal to drive?" when it is clearly obvious to them I have a Québec license plate...

One has simply to read what makes the front page when it comes to our tradition in politics. It's all about so-and-so's escapades with public money (or his or her personal life), there are NO discussions about the real issues that affect us all, such as why we pay the highest gas and roads taxes in all of North America, yet have the worst roads north of the Rio Grande. THAT is NEVER discussed in public. The minute you DARE mention it, you are labelled an asocial (and to those I ruffled the feather of: in case you did not know, the climate doesn't suddenly change when you cross into Ontario or Vermont).

In other words... I'm sorry not to be able to help, I'm way too far in opposition with the way the system works in this province, because I think like an anglo, in terms of personal rights an freedoms. Unfortunately, that just doesn't fly in Quebec. It's not for no reason that the provincial legislature is called the "National Assembly". It's basically a country within a country, that's how different it is from the rest of the country.

So although I appreciate your generosity (I am sure you have many friends here, myself included if I dare say so), I am not hopeful you can make waves in a province were basic moral values teach that you should think like everyone else and that thinking different is bad. Conversely and for the same reasons, it's not because Quebec gobbled all the BS from the hostie d'association des maudits concessionnaires de chars de marde, that it's going to happen in the rest of the country, because the values in the rest of the country are broader and the judicial traditions are based in a totally different system, the english Common Law. We have no such premises under the centralizing Napoleonic Code governing us.

I wish the apviq good luck, because they are going to need tons of it. Just look how much they have stacked agisnt them: the first few minutes of the Radio-Canada show IMMEDIATELY shows their bias: nowhere are any 'serious' RHDs shown in the report. Where are the Delicas, Keis, Landcruisers and HiAces? The public only sees young drivers with souped up sports cars... Sorry, but they've lost a long time ago in the eyes of public opinion.

 

[crushers]

a) agree
b) agree
c) ain't going to happen.
d) MIGHT happen but will take a lot of work.

a) I agree 1000%. Just look at how repressive our governments have become since 9/11 and how much they are protecting big industry and how much they are crushing citizens. Just take the CRTC, the lackey of the cell phone industry. That's for starters in Canada. They say we live under the rule of law, when in fact it's the rule of lawyers (or lobbyists, same BS).

b) So when you say "I hate computers" when it comes to cars... What you really hate is the control it gives those in power to restrict your rights and freedoms.

c) What we really need is a plain and simple revolution. No ifs and buts! unfortunately, those who know are older, without many means, and the young, who have the energy and idealism, are simply not numerous enough, like we used to be in the 60s. 'Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait'

d) Finally, it's not tea we need, but something much stronger and to get out and complain in front of the maudite assemblée nationale!!!

 

[lshobie]

a) agree
b) agree
c) ain't going to happen.
d) MIGHT happen but will take a lot of work.

You need pictures of various politicians in rather compramising situations - shouldn't be that hard, just hire a private eye. A few well placed phone calls and mission accomplished

 

[83bj60]

You need pictures of various politicians in rather compramising situations - shouldn't be that hard, just hire a private eye. A few well placed phone calls and mission accomplished

Have you been watching "The Bank Job" recently ?

My idea of revolt is simple, personal, civil disobedience (for example I refuse to buy alcohol in this country precisely because of the immoral taxation, it's simply too disgusting). If all citizens revolted this way, no unfair laws would ever pass or hold, as there just isn't enough police in this country to force people to behave. Imagine how choked the court system would become if every citizen would contest the repressiveness of the photo radar system, for example. That's one thing we have that the Germans didn't have in the 1930s (or the Americans since the patriot laws were passed): a repressive police force terrorizing the public.

As with everything unnatural and repressive, "nature finds a way"...

 

[crushers]

ummm, they don't need one. they know Canadians, as a whole, are a spineless mass.
look at the RHD comunity as an example, here is a group of people that have a common bond - the liking of what is not normal. yet, when oppressed they sit back and grab another beer or joint and do nothing.

why should the government waste money on a REAL police force when it isn't needed?

That's one thing we have that the Germans didn't have in the 1930s (or the Americans since the patriot laws were passed): a repressive police force terrorizing the public.

 

[83bj60]

ummm, they don't need one. they know Canadians, as a whole, are a spineless mass.
look at the RHD comunity as an example, here is a group of people that have a common bond - the liking of what is not normal. yet, when oppressed they sit back and grab another beer or joint and do nothing.

why should the government waste money on a REAL police force when it isn't needed?

That is precisely why we as a group of like minded people can go out and protest, like the apviq did recently. Had I known about it (I was only recently told of that nazi ministerial edict), I would have come to protest as well and make myself visible as a non sports car owner. Seriously, the idiots at the Ministère des Transports should be fired for their stupidity. Just expose the scandal of road conditions. It wouldn't take long for heads to fall. If true democracy existed they'd be long gone for such gross incompetence. But I digress. Next scheduled manif, I'm out to protest.

Like I said... A revolution like what happened in France in 1789 is long overdue... It doesn't have to be murderous (although it would in many cases be deserved)... Just start with the simple, painless option on the next election ballot, of "None of the above"...

 

[crushers]

i beleive that there will be more protests and APVIQ and IVOAC are working together to bring about changes.
cheers

 

[Eric Winkworth]

What we really need is to end civilization as we know it. A world based around a finite resource can never be sustainable!

It's gonna be a rocky road for all of us that are young enough to be here when the oil gets really scarce. Especially if the world really did hit "peak oil" in the 70's!

 

[twinotter600]

I can burn SVO....from algae!

 

[crushers]

curious, if the scientists don't know how much oil is in the ground then how do they know we reached the 'peaked point' in the 70s?
fear mongering to drive the prices up.

i had a ... how do i say this ... ummm ... lively discussion with a geologist a few years back. in the end nobody knows how much oil is in the earth.

mind you it can't help with thousands of litres being dumped into the ocean... YAH GREED, you are ruining the earth again!!

 

[twinotter600]

I worked on foreign oil fields and nobody is worried about running out of oil for a long time.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

So why all the expensive off shore drilling? Why refine tar sand? The US has no oil left! Why do you think they're in iraq?

You guys haven't herd? Wayne man you gotta watch more documentaries then just Food INC. There are some insane ones out there...

 

[Eric Winkworth]

I worked on foreign oil fields and nobody is worried about running out of oil for a long time.

Well it's not like there is a gas gauge somewhere that will let us all know when we're getting low. Everything in our lives is made of oil, or oil was consumed in making it. Look around you your computer, your food, your water, your clothes.

There are production charts on oil extracted in various places... Like I said in the above posts they wouldn't be drilling in the ocean if there was huge oil reserves on land. We've now all had this luxury of cheap power for what 100 years? a bit over 100, that's a pretty damn short time span. Especially when you look at how population increased in that time frame because of oil and capitalism.

Without the oil there is no way to sustain 6 or 7 billion people in this world!

I'm not living in fear or anything I just think people should be aware of these things...

Cheers guys
(sorry Wayne I really didn't mean to highjack this thread just had this on my mind for a while)

 

[crushers]

no biggie to me...
oil will be here till it is gone, no matter what we do it will disappear.
if we conserve then the governments and the rich will use it, at the same time we can be wise about it.

but to fear its life expectancy is like fearing if you will wake up tomorrow.

if you do wake up enjoy the day ... if you don't you got nothing to worry about.

fear is a waste of energy.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

no biggie to me...
oil will be here till it is gone, no matter what we do it will disappear.
if we conserve then the governments and the rich will use it, at the same time we can be wise about it.

but to fear its life expectancy is like fearing if you will wake up tomorrow.

if you do wake up enjoy the day ... if you don't you got nothing to worry about.

fear is a waste of energy.

The bottom line is I plan on being around for another 50 years or so, and I can't see it lasting that long. So basically there will come a time in my life when the world as we know it will be gone. People will no longer worry about tinkering with toys, they will worry about how to survive!

There are too many people in this world with oil that worry about survival on a daily basis.

Change is on the horizon one way or another!

 

[Eric Winkworth]

This is a pretty good one
PM if your interested in more

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[haryv]

what about chain driven steearing wheel and control rods for brake/throttle?

The dash would also be replaced. I do not see if as a problem using chain or cable to move the steering over to the other side. Chain or cables are use alot in aircraft. I would use two chains as a extra level of caution and have them separated with a sheet metal cover in the even one of them snaps and preventing the one that snapped, to get into the path of one that is working. .

 

[Larryminator]

holy thread revival

 

[crushers]

yah, i was hoping there was new news and the laws had changed ...
bummer.

 

[Biche]

Nope, the new law is here to stay unfortunately. We still have the 25 years rule or find a Quebec RHD already registered...