Quebec ban now permanent

[crushers]

CADA - "i want every vehicle over 10 years old off the road!!"
CCMTA - "that would cause riots in the streets"
CADA - "then change the rules that govern older vehicles"
CCMTA - "gotcha, shall do"

TODAYS emissions ratio for light duty trucks and passenger vehicles:
brand new emissions tests 75 ppm
10 year old emissions tests 50 ppm

a 10 year old vehicle has to be less poluting than brand new?!?!

(it already is happening)

 

[twinotter600]

Once their plan is in place, all the government has to do is enforce the industry made rules.

By that time it will be too late and their will be a lot of sad LHD and RHD faces.....

 

[crushers]

yep, WAHHHH! WAHHH!

the problem with this whole situation started when the government allowed the vehicle industry to regulate itself.
like the one person said, letting the rats look after the grain bin...

 

[Eric Winkworth]

It's everywhere you look though.
Not that I think this isn't important, but it seems much less important to me then say:

Companies like Monsanto controlling the food supply by patenting the worlds seeds. (The same company that made agent orange and DDT) Will soon control our food supply! Canola and Soybeans are almost all genetically modified by monsanto to resist round up (also made by monsanto after all they're a chemical company).

Ex big pharma executives and CEO's sitting on the FDA board which is supposed to regulate what is "SAFE". Well news flash it's all poison to begin with! If you're sick, stop eating processed sugar, salt and animal fat. Dr. Max Gerson was curing cancer in the 1920's with proper nutrition! Don't ever see that on commercials do ya?

Oil companies controlling what cars are made, 2001 electronic vehicles what happened? They were driving on the roads all over California until there leases were up and then they were all crushed! 1995 Honda civic VX 50mpg, only one year, why?

Our world is controlled by corporations, banks, insurance companies, oil companies, big pharma.

Most of us are slaves to a wage, the average wage slave at a retail outlet like walfart makes less money in a year then a slave cost 100 years ago. Also slave owners had vested interest in there slaves health and well being, so they would feed them as well as they could. Now a days that doesn't happen. Ask the 80 year old greeter at walmart why they can't retire...

It's all bull s***

It can't go on forever though, I see through it all, so other people must see through at least some of it.


Anyway
I'm out

 

[crushers]

a lot of what you say is true but we need to start somewhere...

FOOD.INC , yes, it is a very revealing movie. the government would love to class us as "weirdos" , "anti-government" (use to use the term communist) , terrorist etc etc.

wake up, we just want to be treated properly and not like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed BS). we WANT a government that looks out for THE PEOPLES best interest, PROTECTING US from big business greed.

THAT is what we desire, the right to drive what we want. the right to fresh water and fresh non-chemical foods, the right to earn a paycheck and keep most of it, the right to live long and happy lives.

and

a just government could give us that ... easily.

 

[canucksafari]

I'd add one other, the right for us to have a government that works for us instead of for the corporations and the filthy rich. Take a look at any government of Canada regulatory body which is supposed to work for us and see who they name as their clients. Its not the people they are supposed to protect. Its the corporations they are supposed to police. That's like the police calling the criminals their clients. WTH has this country - world - come to? Tea anyone?

 

[crushers]

"WTH has this country - world - come to? Tea anyone?"

and the answer is -------------------------------------------------------------- greedy.

 

[twinotter600]

That's like the police calling the criminals their clients.

Morning.

Without criminals there would be no police.

 

[crushers]

now ain't that the truth...

 

[lshobie]

Think about it - in 20 years there will be no car that we will want to keep over 10 years old because the designed obsolescence will be bang on at 9-10 years (or in the big 3 case probably 3 years). The computer systems and plastic used will be useless and impossible $$$$$$$ to replace, brake components and drivetrain parts will be completely worn out. So, we may want to buy and drive a car forever but in fact there will be no such animal available. What will will want to do is keep and rebuild our oldies - which will eventually start to disappear from rust and parting out.

Not saying it is a losing battle, but it is inevitable. Take my LX470 for example, at 20 years old the truck will not be useable - the suspension system will cost 5-8K to fix, comps will cost 1500 each X 10 or maybe more, and so on and so on.

What we need to do it force legislation that brings the BJ40 back into production - with 4 relays and a glow system, then maybe the 70 series.

I need a beer.

 

[twinotter600]

I need a beer.

I have 2 Heineken 5 litre kegs and some Coronas.........make that 1 1/2.

Come on up.

 

[lshobie]

LOL, I'll be close, need to go to JL's place to drop a boat motor off today - no time though. Next time!

 

[crushers]

Louis,
yes, you are right
but
i will hang onto my old 1 wire run trucks for as long as i am around.

i hate electrics.

 

[lshobie]

No doubt about it Wayne, I'll keep rebuilding my 79 until I am in diapers, then my kids can do it.

 

[83bj60]

between us and APVIG we could launch a good pincer movement on the Quebec government. no government likes to be brought to the attention of the people.

Wayne, the problem is the basic culture of the majority in Québec. Remember Duplessis, remember René Lévesque and remember Lucien Bouchard. People don't vote for politics, they vote for people with charisma and adulate them no matter what they really stand for, then obey them. There is simply no tradition of critical thinking and individual rights and freedoms in this province and no such concept as "civil disobedience". How many times have I been accosted with the remark "is it not illegal to drive?" when it is clearly obvious to them I have a Québec license plate...

One has simply to read what makes the front page when it comes to our tradition in politics. It's all about so-and-so's escapades with public money (or his or her personal life), there are NO discussions about the real issues that affect us all, such as why we pay the highest gas and roads taxes in all of North America, yet have the worst roads north of the Rio Grande. THAT is NEVER discussed in public. The minute you DARE mention it, you are labelled an asocial (and to those I ruffled the feather of: in case you did not know, the climate doesn't suddenly change when you cross into Ontario or Vermont).

In other words... I'm sorry not to be able to help, I'm way too far in opposition with the way the system works in this province, because I think like an anglo, in terms of personal rights an freedoms. Unfortunately, that just doesn't fly in Quebec. It's not for no reason that the provincial legislature is called the "National Assembly". It's basically a country within a country, that's how different it is from the rest of the country.

So although I appreciate your generosity (I am sure you have many friends here, myself included if I dare say so), I am not hopeful you can make waves in a province were basic moral values teach that you should think like everyone else and that thinking different is bad. Conversely and for the same reasons, it's not because Quebec gobbled all the BS from the hostie d'association des maudits concessionnaires de chars de marde, that it's going to happen in the rest of the country, because the values in the rest of the country are broader and the judicial traditions are based in a totally different system, the english Common Law. We have no such premises under the centralizing Napoleonic Code governing us.

I wish the apviq good luck, because they are going to need tons of it. Just look how much they have stacked agisnt them: the first few minutes of the Radio-Canada show IMMEDIATELY shows their bias: nowhere are any 'serious' RHDs shown in the report. Where are the Delicas, Keis, Landcruisers and HiAces? The public only sees young drivers with souped up sports cars... Sorry, but they've lost a long time ago in the eyes of public opinion.

 

[83bj60]

I'd add one other, the right for us to have a government that works for us instead of for the corporations and the filthy rich. Take a look at any government of Canada regulatory body which is supposed to work for us and see who they name as their clients. Its not the people they are supposed to protect. Its the corporations they are supposed to police. That's like the police calling the criminals their clients. WTH has this country - world - come to? Tea anyone?

I agree 1000%. Just look at how repressive our governments have become since 9/11 and how much they are protecting big industry and how much they are crushing citizens. Just take the CRTC, the lackey of the cell phone industry. That's for starters in Canada. They say we live under the rule of law, when in fact it's the rule of lawyers (or lobbyists, same BS).

I follow with great interest what happens in the computer industry and it's become a constant battle just to be able to continue doing what was easy and straightforward to do with 'ancient' operating systems such as Windows 98: simply, to do what you want on your computer in the privacy of your home. Under recent legislations, corporations have gained not only the right to limit what users do with their software, but worse, the legal might to break into user's homes and seize their equipment without any recourse if they believe the user has infringed on their licenses, which very narrowly defines what the user can and cannot do with his paid software on his hardware!!!

So when you say "I hate computers" when it comes to cars... What you really hate is the control it gives those in power to restrict your rights and freedoms.

What we really need is a plain and simple revolution. No ifs and buts! unfortunately, those who know are older, without many means, and the young, who have the energy and idealism, are simply not numerous enough, like we used to be in the 60s. 'Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait'

Finally, it's not tea we need, but something much stronger and to get out and complain in front of the maudite assemblée nationale!!!

Oh, and about the police calling criminals their clients: in Québec, ALL citizens are called 'clients' by the police, and they make it a point on top of that!!! 'To serve and to protect'?! Yeah, right, IN YOUR DREAMS!!!

 

[canucksafari]

Wayne, the problem is the basic culture of the majority in Québec. Remember Duplessis, remember René Lévesque and remember Lucien Bouchard. People don't vote for politics, they vote for people with charisma and adulate them no matter what they really stand for, then obey them. There is simply no tradition of critical thinking and individual rights and freedoms in this province and no such concept as "civil disobedience".

Having worked in a Montreal based NGO for over 17 years and having been a member of the CSN for as long, I agree and disagree. No place in the country has the capacity to get people on the streets to fight for liberties like Quebec - especially for the poor. I am always amazed at the turnout for protests compared to other major cities in Canada. The majority of my co-workers I would label as Quebec activists... but then again, that is our business. As for the the general population in Quebec and that includes our volunteers there, I agree, there is a tendency to follow the leader. Their concept of democracy is you elect someone to do a job and then keep the hell out of their way so they can do it. If you don't like it, wait for the next election and elect someone else. What I am not sure of is the under 40 generation. They seem less likely to accept the status quo and old concepts of democracy.

 

[twinotter600]

What I am not sure of is the under 40 generation. They seem less likely to accept the status quo and old concepts of democracy.

I'm even seeing less over and under 40s willing to accept political correctness...fed up with no speaking their minds.

 

[83bj60]

What a breath of fresh air from you two!

John, I agree that Quebecers are very good activists when it comes to the rights of the poor, but in a very leninist way. In other words, you're in big trouble if you don't think like the rest of the group. As a francophone, I have had no rights when it comes to my children's education. Whereas my sister who married an anglophone had the choice to send her kids in the school in the same village, I, having married a "Pure Laine", have had to send my kids bouncing in those damn uncomfortable buses for three hours every day because of that DAMN, STUPID, NARROW-MINDED, VINDICTIVE LAW!

Quebec activists are yet to graduate from Marx to Proudhon when it comes to social issues!

As for the young, twinotter600, I have yet hope my own son is going to take on a bit off the old block. At his graduation yesterday, I was pleasantly surprised by the profound meaning of the comments read by the staff to describe him. It basically said that once he found a way to direct his energies, he would make a great mark in society. As it is, he's in between the need to join with the group and his inner drive to lead. But the best is, as much as he doesn't blindly accept authority, he knows how to keep his cool and won't be intimidated by those who wield authority without a reason. That's MY son!

To survive as a society we NEED our young to QUESTION our government AND their own parents!!! I WELCOME criticism from the young! They are told way too much by the system to be politically correct and to follow the rules.

 

[canucksafari]

I can only speak for the ones I work with. The old Leninist generation seems to have retired pretty much. We also use to have the hard line Nationalist at meetings who refused to have a discussion without a translator - even if it wasn't needed: "You speak your language. I speak mine." attitude.

For schools, the pasture is always greener on the other side of the fence. Here in BC, we have had all 3 kids in French Immersion since kindergarten. The oldest has just graduated. For that "privilege" we have had to pay extra fees and pay $150/mo to bus our kids to school. Now, if you have one parent or grandparent who is Francophone, they get a no fee and no busing fee school. Hell, I know one family who moved here from Europe with no Canadian french background but because the one parent was originally from France, they got all of these privileges for free.

The irony of it all is that although on the national news you may hear an anti Quebec or French attitude expressed by some people, the French immersion schools in BC have parents camping outside them for weeks to get their kids enrolled. And they also know damn well they are going to be paying a lot more for that "privilege". Some how that seems to miss the national news or the news in Quebec.

I am hopeful that times are a changing and that will impact Quebec's attitude towards RHD vehicles. Quebers have come a long ways since Dupessis and his gang ran the province. All they need to do is revolt again against the same type of shady backroom dealings of Duplessis era which have brought about this current ban.