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Malahki

Malahki

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Just wondering about the strenght and durability of the winch on my BJ71. I've been hesitatant about using it because the only time I needed it the sheer pin on the PTO shaft broke leaving me worse off. What is recomended for sheer pin? I'm using a roll pin from an implement dealer. I've run up to 75 ton PTO winches at work and it's been my experience that PTO's keep pulling until something has to give. Better the pin then a cable, driveshaft, winch or transfercase.
How about the PTO off the transfercase itself, is it gear or chain driven? Has anyone here ever had one break? Will it take out the rest of the transfersase with it leaving the vehichle imobile?
I've been thinking about getting rid of it alltogether and going with an electric. The advantage of not needing the vehichle running in the case it breaks down and it needs to be winched out of a whole or onto a trailer appeals to me. Not to mention it would be nice to improve the look and function of the front bumper with a custom job.
Any thoughts, opinions or experience on the subject would be apreciated.
 
There is nothing on a landcruiser that is low quality that I can think of and that goes for the PTO winch as well.
I guess there is some merit for an electric winch which can be used when the engine is dead ,most likely from a water crossing.

The PTO is not a common option in OZ and whenever there is one in the classifieds or ebay it gets snapped up pretty quick.
Ive never heard of one breaking and if they failed the gear driven parts should remain in their housing.

If you remove it and sell it im sure there will be no shortage of buyers.
If it was mine I would keep it for the bling effect;)

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There is somethingto be said for PTO winches. They will run all day and not burn out or kill your battery. As far as the shear pin goes, you can install larger ones. Wayne has mentioned something to me about that, but I forget thre specifics.

As far as electrics go, just ask Nick (nickw on Mud) how a PTO would have helped him right his rolled 81 recently. His electric winch pulled it back over from its side by himself in the middle of nowhere, where he couldn't run his engine.

He still had to hike out of the bush, but that's another story. Nice night for a walk though...

-kevin
 
My take on the PTO winch is the only downpoint on a truck is that you can't try to . drive and winch at the same time.As previously pointed out you can winch and they do not get hot so repeated winching and long pulls are no problem. Its an easy job to upgrade the soft spots. Far easier than waterproofing an electric winch. Nick did well but when you are in dangerous country there should be two vehicles, often people are seriously hurt in a roll over so being able to winch is not the total solution as often the vehicle is not driveable anyway.
 
bigbrowndog said:
My take on the PTO winch is the only downpoint on a truck is that you can't try to . drive and winch at the same time.As previously pointed out you can winch and they do not get hot so repeated winching and long pulls are no problem. Its an easy job to upgrade the soft spots. Far easier than waterproofing an electric winch. Nick did well but when you are in dangerous country there should be two vehicles, often people are seriously hurt in a roll over so being able to winch is not the total solution as often the vehicle is not driveable anyway.
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I don't get your point sorry, how come you can't winch and drive in the same time? If you don't put your Tcase on neutral; it should work!
 
I guess it depends on what you want the winch for.
PTO is nice for the reasons stated, and works great for pulling others out, and doing any sort of work were a winch is required.

I also don't like how the PTO sits out way infront of the truck. It really kills approach angles.
Mind you, and electric and ARB is not great either. But it's not quite as bad.

But for self recovery, I have a large preference for electric.
You can use it when the truck is not running (i.e. when I rolled :) ) or when your are stuck and can't run the truck (i.e: water. never happen to me yet). When you are stuck and using an electric winch you can also apply drive at the same time. The drive you can apply can be fast or slow. But it can be done independent of the winch, which is nice. (ie. You can have a heavy foot and winch at the same time.)

With the PTO, your drive speed and winch speed are not the same, and are FIXED relative to each other. Not great when you need to pull up slack in the line, while driving out from being stuck. Or when you just want a bit of winch tension and are trying to drive.

I really prefer electric for self recovery.
I like it to the point, of getting an electric over my current PTO.
Although I do really like the PTO as well. I would like to build a log cabin one day, and the PTO would sure be preferable for that. So it really depends on application.

I don't see any reason for hydraulic winches.
If the truck has to run, you might as well have PTO.

Cheers,
Nick
 
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BJ 71 said:
That is an excellent point with the roll over senario, you might as well not even have a PTO winch for all the good it will do.
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You also better have optima batteries.
If I had regular lead-acid batteries it all would of leaked out, and I would of been no better off than a PTO. You can't run an electric with no power. :)

Cheers,
Nick
 
bj 71,
i had the same problem with mine. so i drilled the hole out and made a larger (than the standard) pin hole and put a high tensile bolt through.
was heaps better but same problem again. then i asked the local 4b shop owner, what i should do next ,and he said that i should only be running the whinch in first gear when under load, and since then i havent had a problem. so i dunno if that will cure youre problem, but i know how it feels to have the whinch pin break. how did you end up getting out it
 
I don't see how running the winch in first gear would help because now you have more gear reduction wich means more torque wich means your more likely to brake something. On the winch trucks at work we run the PTO in the biggest gear for the most part, but on realy big pulls you can stall the engine so you drop a gear or two, in low gears I could snap 1 1/4" winch line on a 75 ton winch without even a grunt out of the engine.
Thought about drilling the hole out but the concerns I mentioned in my original post have stopped me
The only thing worse than being stuck is being stuck and tied to a tree and needing someone to pull you out backwads. It took me about an hour to get the winch to disengadge by hammering out the "dogs" with a chizel. Then I ended up paying $200 to get someone to pull me out.
 
nickw said:
I don't see any reason for hydraulic winches.
If the truck has to run, you might as well have PTO.

Cheers,
Nick
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Nick, PTO/Electro drive hydraulic. You have an hydraulic, with it's pump on the PTO, and another electric pump so you have a way out when the engine is stalled :D And chose between the two with vanes. :D
 
How about just using a high lift jack and a strap! I works in snow, water, rain, never gets in the way, and only costs about $75USD. Call me old fashion....or just poor
 
Winslow said:
How about just using a high lift jack and a strap! I works in snow, water, rain, never gets in the way, and only costs about $75USD. Call me old fashion....or just poor
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That and some common sense work well. LOL.The electric winches need to be pulled apart after every 12 months at least to be reliable. They get full of water too easy on river crossings and also the solonoids are not that great at all mine have siezed a few times.Warn overhead.
 
nickw said:
You also better have optima batteries.
If I had regular lead-acid batteries it all would of leaked out, and I would of been no better off than a PTO. You can't run an electric with no power. :)

Cheers,
Nick
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actually it takes quite a while to drain a battery with out popping the tops, the new batteries are much better sealed than the old "you refil when needed" type...
 
the sheer pin is a factory part number<i do not have it with me right now> for the land cruiser HZJ75 model winches...
they are just a bit bigger but saved the day this past sept long when the other 3 PTO winches with the stock sheer pins were dead...
cheers
 
bigbrowndog said:
That and some common sense work well. LOL.The electric winches need to be pulled apart after every 12 months at least to be reliable. They get full of water too easy on river crossings and also the solonoids are not that great at all mine have siezed a few times.Warn overhead.
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hummm, i guess i have just been lucky... i run mine for years on different trucks and havn't had much trouble at all, even ran the 12V 8274 on 24V for the last couple years with no grief... or are you talking the low profile units?
 
crushers said:
the sheer pin is a factory part number<i do not have it with me right now> for the land cruiser HZJ75 model winches...
they are just a bit bigger but saved the day this past sept long when the other 3 PTO winches with the stock sheer pins were dead...
cheers
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When you get a chance could you post the part number Wayne?
 
crushers said:
hummm, i guess i have just been lucky... i run mine for years on different trucks and havn't had much trouble at all, even ran the 12V 8274 on 24V for the last couple years with no grief... or are you talking the low profile units?
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Obviously your winches get better O-rings and solernoids than the Aussie models. I was refering to my Warn hi mount which has had water in the motor from leaking O-rings, water in the gearbox and jammed solernods at different times. If you stay out of deep water obviously this will not be a problem. Does the fact that the hi mount motor sits 170/180 mm higer than the low mount motor really effect the amount of water that gets in to the winch especially entering a creek or river from a steep bank? Looking through Outer limits and 4WD Monthly forum it seems I am not the only one to have experienced this.
 
nickw said:
I don't see any reason for hydraulic winches.
If the truck has to run, you might as well have PTO.

Cheers,
Nick
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Well, installed on a gasser, I'd agree; however, a hydraulic winch installed on a diesel is a great combination, IMHO. Three of my four cruisers have (or will have winches). My BJ-42 has the hydraulic, the KZJ-70 has an aftermarket electric, and the BJ-73 has an OEM electric to be installed. They each have their merits; however, my hydraulic is the most solid of the three.
 
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