Please Help a Newbie Out! New claw washer not fitting over spindle

[HamCruisin]

Self-admitted long time lurker here in need of some help! I have learned a lot about my 2001 with 260k miles from this board just by using the search, but I'm stumped on this one. Short version is I'm replacing cv axles and front brakes with a few other misc. stuff while I've got it torn apart. Bearings looked good so cleaning and repacking those along with new seals.

The claw washers on both sides had some pretty significant scoring so I ordered a set of those. The problem is the new claw washers do not fit past the threaded part of the spindle and not sitting against the bearing so I cant "load" the outer bearing. Washers were ordered (90214-42030) from Toyota and also looking at the ones that came out are the same way/size. The id of the washers are ~43.5mm and the spindle at the outer bearing is 45mm . Anyone run into this before? The spindles are the original and I even ordered a set of new Timken SET47 bearings just to make sure I had the correct ones. Anybody run into this before or have any suggestions? I was diligent in my searching of this specific issue, so if my search skills have failed me I will take my lashes.

 

[Ridgerunner78]

I don't think they have to go on past the threads. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I've had mine apart, but I don't think the outer bearing sits that far in. Does that outer bearing sit that far in past the treads with the hub in place?

 

[HamCruisin]

I don't think they have to go on past the threads. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I've had mine apart, but I don't think the outer bearing sits that far in. Does that outer bearing sit that far in past the treads with the hub in place?

Yea, when I first put it all back together and tried to set the preload no matter how much I tightened the nut the hub spun with no change. I finally cranked the nut all the way down and realized something wasn’t right.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Are you lining up the "claw" with the groove on the spindle?

 

[HamCruisin]

Are you lining up the "claw" with the groove on the spindle?

Yes, nothing is hanging it up other than the id of the washer being too small.

 

[Ridgerunner78]

I have a spare set at home I can measure the ID on when I get there.

 

[SteveH]

When you set the new claw washer on top of the old, are they exactly the same in every dimension?

 

[HamCruisin]

The new ones are exact same as what came out. Those were also wrong because the tension was incorrect and it caused the previous one to walk out of the groove and onto the threads. I was able to file the threads to fix them being bugared up.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Got a pic of the side of the threads with the groove and the notch of the claw washer butted up to the bearing step?

 

[HamCruisin]

Got a pic of the side of the threads with the groove and the notch of the claw washer butted up to the bearing step?

Standby..

 

[Ridgerunner78]

I checked what I have on the shelf, new OEM Toyota same part number you listed, 42.8mm ID.

 

[HamCruisin]

 

[Eyedaho]

Seems likely that something isn't assembled correctly. That bearing shouldn't be hard up against the step on the spindle or you couldn't preload it with the nuts, right?

 

[HamCruisin]

I checked what I have on the shelf, new OEM Toyota same part number you listed, 42.8mm ID.

So do I just have the wrong bearing? Bearing not tall enough? Every video I’ve seen on YT it looks like the claw washer slides all the way passed the threads?

 

[Ridgerunner78]

Timken Set47 is correct for the outer bearings, same as I used on my last service. How about the inner bearings and races? Are they new as well?

I'm almost certain that the outer face of the outer bearing doesn't go in past the end of the threads.

 

[HamCruisin]

No, just repacked the inner bearings and reassembled with new seal. For clarification this is the case for both sides.

 

[Eyedaho]

@2001LC any ideas? It's just the hub and two bearings sandwiching it, but possibly excessive wear on the spindle or inner bearing could reduce the stack height but that would have to be a lot of wear.

 

[Ridgerunner78]

Maybe someone else has some ideas but as @Eyedaho said, it's just the bearings, races, and hub sandwiched between the inner shoulder and the washer and hub nuts. If it were me I'd replace the outer race to match the new bearing (if you haven't already), and verify that the inner bearings and races are correct and in good condition.

More pics of the spindle and hub assembly might help as well. Maybe someone can pick up on something we are missing from the pics.

 

[HamCruisin]

That’s the plan for tomorrow. Replace both inner and outer bearing and both races and see what that does and report back. Thanks for the help fellas!

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Now that I'm not at work I looked at some pics, the claw washer you've got is fine. As someone else posted, the bearing doesn't sit that deep on the spindle. Logically it couldn't because then you could tighten the inner spindle nut on to the end of the threads and not get compression on the bearing pack.