Peformance Chip for 80 (1 Viewer)

[the shed guy]

Look man, I admittedly am in no position to argue with you, The most important factor in my equation was always reliability, You mention that my performance and my economy suck considering an otherwise stock engine and the safari turbo system. So, quantify that statement...since you have so much dyno time, share what the performance and the economy of your otherwise stock engine and the system was? I am talking your engine stock, and, the system.

Turbo cruiser, I dont know who you stole the crack pipe off, but you have one big chip [sic] on your shoulder about this, maybe because you dont understand it, you started out asking me to explain, and now Ive told you what it does, and why its worth it, you refuse to want to believe it.

My 80 was standard, it was a standard 4.5 petrol with 10 psi boost, standard factory ecu with unichip, and Safari 3" exhaust.

It made 220kw and 580nm @ the rear wheels, went 0-60mph in 6 seconds, would go to 250kph in 5th on the rev limiter, made 10 psi [max] boost at 1300rpm, and got 11.2lt per 100km [21 miles per US gallon] during the www.lcool.org economy run, and this was achievable, because the unichip allowed us to maximise timing, and fuel settings, and reduce timing where needed, to suit the extra boost, and it wasnt even tuned for economy, but power.......

If reliability is so important to you, why would you not ensure your tuning settings were optimised for engine longevity, rathe rthan just bolt it on, and hope its ok, have you even ahd your car on a dyno to check its settings witht he standard ecu?

Or do you just have your fingers crossed??????????

 

[the shed guy]

You wanna sell me your Unichip? Maybe it will help with the pinging in my 94 running a supercharger. Let me know .

It sure will help you do that, because it will allow you to add timing where you can, and remove it where you need to stop detonation, it will also allow you to change the fueling the standard ecu uses, to help keep it cool where needed, and for economy where its needed.

 

[turbocruiser]

Turbo cruiser, I dont know who you stole the crack pipe off, but you have one big chip [sic] on your shoulder about this, maybe because you dont understand it, you started out asking me to explain, and now Ive told you what it does, and why its worth it, you refuse to want to believe it.

Okay, now you are getting rude. I started this whole thing admitting that my understanding of these tuning things is limited. I also stated alot of research from alot of respected experts led me to my decision. I do not have any chip on my shoulder, nor do I have one piggybacking my ECU!!! The results you shared are not what I wanted anyway; you have the boost set at 10psi, that is not the stock setting from APS. In fact when I called APS the sales manager ( Rainer Fritzsche ) recommended nothing more than 8 psi so your numbers mean nothing other than something YOU should be proud of. So, since you were rude, I'll reciprocate...go fawk yourself and leave me alone...you are not trying to help, you are trying to brag and boast about your truck, supplement your small penis size, and push others around...to think I thought you were cool. What's your motivation for pushing so hard anyway? In other words, why would you care to the point of providing insults?

 

[Beowulf]

'bout time to take this to PM, don't you think?

-B-

 

[turbocruiser]

'bout time to take this to PM, don't you think?

-B-

Yessir, but I wont initiate a PM as such, consider me signed off this thread. Saluting ( with respect, not sarcasm ).

 

[the shed guy]

you have the boost set at 10psi, that is not the stock setting from APS.

Looks like we have a sore loser out there, who asks questions he doesnt want the answer too.

Oh, BTW, APS set the boost on my 80, at 10 psi, and mine wasnt the only one, so its about time you believed more than just what you wanted to believe.......

 

[sleeoffroad]

Go away for a couple of days and see how pissy everyone gets


Couple of points, both turbocruiser and shed is correct. However we have had two failures of Unichips that were associated with heat and made the trucks inoperable. The Unichips were pulled (next to the road) and the trucks ran again. Not good.

Maybe just bad Unichips, but since those were supplied with turbo's bought from MAF and the support for the Unichip is virtually non-existant in Colorado (most of the US as well) we decided not to install them.

In the US we are not that concered with economy (well ok maybe now we are with rising gas prices) but we were concerned that the trucks would run lean at max demand. The truck was tested and they do not. The Unchip can not add more fuel than when the truck is running in open loop (wide open throttle), but yes, you could tune timing to stop detonation and also take fuel out when there is excess.

So, shed guy is correct that the Unichip will allow for optimum tuning at the hands of a expert tuner. There are none of those in Colorado that I know off. I had discussions with the Unchip distributor when we did all this and they just did not have a local representation to do this. Could we have figured it out, yes, could we have dynoed it on a 2 wheel dyno, yes, but that is a lot of time to invest for a situation where it was the last turbo that was available for sale.

turbocruisers truck was tested and measured to make sure it is safe and reliable and won't cause engine problems. Could it be tuned better and get more power, yes, but no-one locally has the knowledge to do it.

 

[the shed guy]

Go away for a couple of days and see how pissy everyone gets

turbocruisers truck was tested and measured to make sure it is safe and reliable and won't cause engine problems. Could it be tuned better and get more power, yes, but no-one locally has the knowledge to do it.

Agreed,
and once he mentioned who his people were that had offered him that advice, I at least new what he had been told was well researched, and would of been tested properly.

Interesting failure rate on the unichip, first 2 Ive heard of, and a pity you guys dont have a tuner who can set a unichip, because they would be a good thing for engine life and power witht he TRD supercharger.

 

[mabrodis]

This was just getting good!

All this point/counter-point/smash-your-counter-point stuff has been great, I have actually learned alot about the Unichip and how it can really help. So the unichip is just a continous variable computer basically, always trying to do the best it can? You can use it with a normal aspirated engine or forced induction?

So what I've learned here is I wish I had a Cruiser with a turbo, and I wish The Shed Dude moved to Colorado to tune it and to import diesel cruiser for all of us..

 

[the shed guy]

Well, I think doing what I do in the US instead of Aus would have to be better, with a much better market in the US than here, so dont temp me please mr brodis .

importing stuff here is a very limited market in the field at the moment, but I know exporting to you guys would be a much better market, and with afew of my wacky ideas that work, and my requirement for the vehicle to drive nicely when any mods are completed, we also seem to have a much better toyota OEM supply here, than you guys,

So you got a spare room, and a spare green card????

 

[Junk]

So you got a spare room, and a spare green card????

Told ya before. You come here, we'll find you room. May be in a tent out back, but there's room. Green card? Nah. The authorities are worried about busting me instead. One neighbor recently called the cops saying I was hording 'compressed gasses' in the garage. I told the cop that my wife made tacos for dinner

Great reading on the chip. Pity we don't know anyone with connections at APS lol

 

[the shed guy]

A tent, in the back yard, you mean i cant even camp witha trailer in your drive....

And APS are like most companies, money talks, if you want to sell/distribute, you play by the rules, once in the loop, everything becomes easier.

One thing alot of US guys probably dont understand about APS, is that they are fussy about who they use, and what they make, Peter wants to be known for quality, not quantity, so his attitude, pricing, and outlet requirements are focused toward that.

 

[Tom Doniphon]

You won't have to stay in a tent when you stay with me. We Arizonan's are just like you Aussies. Our pub's mostly have roofs....well at least till we get kicked out.

My Unichip failed with about 3000 miles on it. I did not keep it in the ARB fridge witch may be why. It is a rather large chip with the serial number of 0256 I think. If I had kept it cool with the xxxx it might still work. It might be UFO's.

If you want to get together in OZ let me know and I'll meet you at the Lion's Den or Port Douglas.

 

[Tom Doniphon]

I was sitting on the beach last night drinking XX's which is a Mexican beer and thinking about Shed Guy. He was probably sitting on the beach drinking XXXX's since it was morning there. In order to keep the hemisheres in balace I decided to drink twice as much as usual. Seemed to work well for me.

Shed Guy can you get the bloaks at APS to post some tuning info about the Unichip and tuning it here on the forum? I have been told by the guys at Man-A-FRE that I have one of the early chips that was made in Australia. They told me a new chip would be available from the American company that bought out Unichip and the cost would be a little over $700 U.S. I removed the chip from the system once I diagnosed it as being bad. The 80 ran better after I removed the chip which makes me wonder if the chip was bad from the day it was installed. Even if the timing was not altered by the programing correcting the fuel air mixture ratio should make a difference you can feel. I wonder what the chip was originally set at.

 

[the shed guy]

Unichips arent a "plug and drive" they have to be tuned once installed.

Technically they are an adjustment device for the original ecu, by adjusting what the ecu see's.

Read this article, I know its for diesels mainly, but it is relevent to petrols as well.

chip tuning

 

[Tom Doniphon]

Thanks for the link Darren. I should have been more specific. Do you know how the Unichip is progammed? We know it is done on a dyno. Do they adjust the chip with a laptop and a program that was written for the Unichip only. Where do I get a copy? When are you coming over to help? The wife says its been so long since she saw you she can't remember what you look like........

 

[the shed guy]

The unichip is programmed using the software and computer only for unichip, and needs to be set up on a dyno.

The setting device is a specific unichip item, and can only be done by unichip agents, this protects the name, when only people trained with the equipment, who are tuners in their own right, can "plug and play"

And would she like a pic

 

[Junk]

And would she like a pic

Please not here.

 

[Tom Doniphon]

Dastek home of the unichip! http://www.dastek.co.za/

 

[Tom Doniphon]

A good bit of info about the unichip!

http://www.schatzandkrum.com/unichip.htm
http://www.theenginetuner.co.uk/Prod1.htm