They had law enforcement there. The rioters used some form of chemical irritant against them to break the lines.
Rioters.
Rioters.
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RedHeadedStepChild
Proudly wearing my MC1R mutation!
So does orderly include the woman who died after taking a bullet?
This was a lot worse than that. Many may not like the source, but the pics don't lie:
Today’s Rampage at the Capitol, as It Happened
Congress returned to the Senate chamber to affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s victory hours after thousands of protesters took part in what Mitch McConnell labeled a “failed insurrection.”
It was not to that point when I stopped watching at work. However, IF the accounts I just read are accurate, being shot through a broken window by law enforcement does not automatically mean anything. I wasn't there...I don't know what level threat she may or may not have posed. I HOPE that the agency the shooter belongs to conducts an inquiry/investigation, as is usually normal when a weapon is discharged, and acts appropriately based on the findings.
I do not condone, nor support, the actions that crossed the lines beyond peacefully protesting...however...having personally witnessed coups and near-coups, I agree with @GLTHFJ60, rioters at best. Given that personal perspective, I find the majority of reporting to be a bit sensationalist in their choice of vocabulary; especially given the tone of reporting during the full blown riots we have seen in the past few months.This was a lot worse than that. Many may not like the source, but the pics don't lie:
Today’s Rampage at the Capitol, as It Happened
Congress returned to the Senate chamber to affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s victory hours after thousands of protesters took part in what Mitch McConnell labeled a “failed insurrection.”www.nytimes.com
Anti government tattoos and a poor fitting MAGA hat do not make you a Trump supporter. It makes you something altogether different. Im looking forward to accurate after action reports being declassified. Speculate away my cruiser brotherhood. Amen and Awoman to you all.
Maybe sensationalist, but not far off. The person who was shot, shooter has not been identified yet. More likely than not, it was a rioter who shot them, but it'll be interesting to read the reports. Hope they catch those who vandalized and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
EDIT with source: They were shot by a U.S. Capital Police Officer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/ashli-babbitt-dead-capitol-riot/
If wearing a MAGA hat doesn't make you a trump supporter then what does? Flying trump flags? Flying confederate flags? Check, check and check.
They are were trump supporters, hopefully the "bad eggs" of that bunch, but supporters none the less.
Also this.
EDIT with source: They were shot by a U.S. Capital Police Officer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/ashli-babbitt-dead-capitol-riot/
If wearing a MAGA hat doesn't make you a trump supporter then what does? Flying trump flags? Flying confederate flags? Check, check and check.
They are were trump supporters, hopefully the "bad eggs" of that bunch, but supporters none the less.
Also this.
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RedHeadedStepChild
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I also have to wonder, is the theft of property from congressional offices not, by definition, looting? Or is that too legitimate protest by respectable patriots?
They came in quietly and orderly, holding hands and not destroying anything, like Fuchida in Pearl Harbor.
Why didn’t the secret service didn’t repel boarders is also amazing.
A "coup" or an "insurrection" would denote that it is an organized entity acting with the intent to seize power and install an identified alternate authority. This was not that; there was a dude dressed as a buffalo! I would argue that this is purposefully being presented by the media in a sensationalist manner; directly proportionate to the effort that they used to downplay the Portland, etc. riots as peaceful. Whatever the motivation; stoking political support from a base or trying to grab your attention to get you the story first for financial gain... it's not helpful. I miss the news that was presented with a relatively apolitical public service mindedness.
Helping legitimize governments has been part of my job for nearly 20 years. I do not have the words to express the feelings I have as I watch my government do exactly the things I advise others not to do. Regardless of who supports who or which "side" started it, the riots in Portland, Seattle, etc. clearly demonstrate that they people have grievances and have reached a breaking point. The significant issue about today is that there are people with a grievance related to the election that feel so strongly that they rioted and stormed the capital building. That was just the ones that could easily make it to DC. There are many more across the nation that harbor the same feelings. That should be a wake-up call to ALL of our elected officials that action is needed to address these grievances. The Democratic leadership is making an enormous mistake by not agreeing to or calling for deep 3rd party inquiry into election inconsistencies that the people have voiced concern over. If they do nothing, there will always be a significant number of people that harbor distrust and not view the government as legitimate. If they legitimately won, then there is nothing to worry about and the current administration becomes a certified jacka$$ with no power or influence. If actual inconsistencies are found, then ALL leaders at the national level need to suck up their pride, put party allegiance aside, and maintain the standards of the Constitution with one voice while executing a transparent corrective action dependent on what was found.
Helping legitimize governments has been part of my job for nearly 20 years. I do not have the words to express the feelings I have as I watch my government do exactly the things I advise others not to do. Regardless of who supports who or which "side" started it, the riots in Portland, Seattle, etc. clearly demonstrate that they people have grievances and have reached a breaking point. The significant issue about today is that there are people with a grievance related to the election that feel so strongly that they rioted and stormed the capital building. That was just the ones that could easily make it to DC. There are many more across the nation that harbor the same feelings. That should be a wake-up call to ALL of our elected officials that action is needed to address these grievances. The Democratic leadership is making an enormous mistake by not agreeing to or calling for deep 3rd party inquiry into election inconsistencies that the people have voiced concern over. If they do nothing, there will always be a significant number of people that harbor distrust and not view the government as legitimate. If they legitimately won, then there is nothing to worry about and the current administration becomes a certified jacka$$ with no power or influence. If actual inconsistencies are found, then ALL leaders at the national level need to suck up their pride, put party allegiance aside, and maintain the standards of the Constitution with one voice while executing a transparent corrective action dependent on what was found.
Let's say there was an inquiry into the "election inconsistencies" as you put it, and that inquiry concluded there was in fact no foul play, that the election was entirely legitimate. Do you feel that the type of people who stormed the capital today would accept that conclusion? Do you feel their pariah leader would?
Edit: to add, this has all gone through the courts already, and it has been effectively proven there was no voter fraud, or election inconsistencies, onsie twosies aside. Thus, if there was *another* inquiry, and the outcome was not in their favor, the protestors would reject it, and continue to have grievances, as they do now.
Edit: to add, this has all gone through the courts already, and it has been effectively proven there was no voter fraud, or election inconsistencies, onsie twosies aside. Thus, if there was *another* inquiry, and the outcome was not in their favor, the protestors would reject it, and continue to have grievances, as they do now.
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Why would the Democratic leadership need a 3rd Party inquiry into election inconsistencies?
- To prove to people who have no proof of any of their baseless claims can be convinced of something they will never believe even when their own neighbor, pastor, Republican legislators and friends family have dispelled them?
- When the swing states with close calls all were REPUBLICAN officials and already reviewed by third parties, courts and other methods?
A little bit lighter, happy 2021.
Because it is the PERCEPTION that is the issue. Real or perceived, a grievance is a grievance. By looking the dissenting Congressional members in the face and saying "you know what, let's see what you're talking about" and working together in a cooperative manner, the Don's influence would be gutted, the vast majority of people with lingering doubt would accept the outcome, and the die-hard supporters would be marginalized.
By categorically opposing any Congressionally appointed inquiry, they only provide fuel to stoke the "see, I told you they're hiding something" narrative.
The problem with the majority people that have weighed in thus far saying "everything is ok" is that they are viewed as politically affiliated or distrusted due to involvement in any number of other clusterfu__s lately. You need a squeaky clean 3rd party with no hint of bias towards one group or another.
I guess more accurately, I should have said "perceived election inconsistencies", because until proven/disproven they will maintain that thought as an issue. But no, I do not think the core group that entered the building would accept it. I don't think their leader would either, but again so many other's would be that his influence would be null....shrunken to the point of a crackpot with a handful of fanatical followers. There always will be some...hell, even when everything was going pretty well, you still had militia groups buying tanks for the day when "the gubnint man comes".
My opinion is, the grievance time has passed. Festivus is over. NOTHING can be done to convince at this point. To extend this process ONLY continues to FUEL the PERCEPTION.
In the case of PA and GA, REPUBLICAN officials have ran the elections, counted, recounted, been sued and litigated, re-reviewed and recounted.
In the case of PA and GA, REPUBLICAN officials have ran the elections, counted, recounted, been sued and litigated, re-reviewed and recounted.
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So what's your point? Have inquiries and panels forever until somehow the dissidents are convinced, even when they will probably never be convinced? It's already gone through the courts.
Perception is their problem, and their pariah's problem, because the perception issue was created by them to begin with. Bad media coverage? Media is corrupt and controlled by the left. Lost the election? No, we couldn't have lost, they stole it, the election must have been rigged. Lost in the courts? Well s***, the whole system is rigged against us!! See a pattern yet?
They're entitled to disagree, but this does not come even remotely close to justifying their reactions.
Perception is their problem, and their pariah's problem, because the perception issue was created by them to begin with. Bad media coverage? Media is corrupt and controlled by the left. Lost the election? No, we couldn't have lost, they stole it, the election must have been rigged. Lost in the courts? Well s***, the whole system is rigged against us!! See a pattern yet?
They're entitled to disagree, but this does not come even remotely close to justifying their reactions.
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@RedHeadedStepChild & @weejub Looking back...I see how, without any thought-process context, my initial comment came across in defense of the rioters. That wasn't the intent. It was an emotional reaction to the pervasiveness of manipulative language used by the media to stoke emotions and entrench the "us vs. them" mentality...based on the last known video I had seen. My support is given to those that truly believe in self-less service for the common good and responsibly promoting the foundational ideals that the US was built upon....unless they're Dutch....I hate the Dutch.
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JUMANJI JUMANJI JUMANJI!
did it work?
did it work?
I'm also somewhat biased against the media because I have personally been burned by them purposely splicing and manipulating my words to present a wholly different context.
I don't believe I said anything that hinted at any of today's actions being justified. If it was understood that way, then the understanding is incorrect. My point is that regardless of what has been done at the lower levels, it hasn't worked. Ignoring it and relegating it to a "Perception is their problem, and their pariah's problem" attitude would only make things get worse. I think a unified and calming voice from 2/3s of our highest national level government branches would go a long way towards reducing that questioning population from 73-whatever million to a handful like we saw today, but ALSO nullify the voice that is giving them the confidence to do something we did not think would happen in our lifetime.
I'm not supporting, defending, or slamming anyone in particular, merely applying what I've learned and executed abroad to suggest a course of action that COULD have better results than what we are currently getting right now.
On a totally separate note.... In between pontifications, I was showing my wife an ad for a '73 FJ40 that is for sale. She said "oh cool, how much?" *I answer* "Really? Go ahead, contact them and buy it." That was too easy. I feel like...
I don't know what to do now....
I don't know what to do now....
