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I have an opportunity to get an om617 Mercedes diesel pretty cheap. Anyone have any experience with these swapped into an 80?
Om617 Mercedes diesel
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@itbrokeagain Not in land cruisers, but in Toyota pickups and 4runners and Jeeps. All I have to say is all of those things weigh a lot less than a cruiser and are still a little underpowered. Put a 617 in a cruiser and you will be as slow as a 3fe or slower and you won't have the off-road power. I can however assist you with information on building an r150f that fits a part time cruiser case instead of a toybox if you decide to go for it and want a proper output transfer case.
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@LandCruisinMy93 I'm good. I don't want to go backwards in performance.
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I agree with @LandCruisinMy93
The OM617 is an incredible engine, but way underpowered for the weight/off-road use of your LC. They are about as reliable as you can get, though.
I currently have a 1982 MB 300SD (W126) with the OM617.951 with 301,000 miles. It starts, idles and drives perfectly, but incredibly slow. Great cruising motor, but for a heavy LC 80 Series, there are better options out there.
The OM617 is an incredible engine, but way underpowered for the weight/off-road use of your LC. They are about as reliable as you can get, though.
I currently have a 1982 MB 300SD (W126) with the OM617.951 with 301,000 miles. It starts, idles and drives perfectly, but incredibly slow. Great cruising motor, but for a heavy LC 80 Series, there are better options out there.
Does anyone know if an adapter plate is readily available for the swap... Using the factory automatic transmission
You might get some valuable tips from this thread OM 613 3.2 CDI swap into 80FZJ by @Tugarin from Kazakstan.
Thanks I appreciate it. I reviewed that thread already he is using the manual transmission available overseas not a u.s. spec 80 series.
if an adapter plate is available for the automatic transmission it is a swap I'm willing to undertake but don't want to get into anything more in depth
Thanks
if an adapter plate is available for the automatic transmission it is a swap I'm willing to undertake but don't want to get into anything more in depth
Thanks
just keep your 3FE man, it will probably out last any 1fz-fe at this rate, reliability is key in the offroading world, and seems like every body favors a little more hp at the expense of blown HGs....
Motor is locked up.
Figured the om617 is the cheapest option. Don't plan to go crazy. Seen a few of them on YouTube with little to no details on how they made it work. Seen a few posts here that are very old.
I guess no one has figured out a easily repeated option for the Automatic yet.
I would think the market for these would be a huge with the widespread head gasket issues.
I haven't seen a earlier model 80 with a head gasket issue yet
I have had a few old Mercedes diesels and they are are extremely easy to keep going and you can typically find one for under a grand.
Figured the om617 is the cheapest option. Don't plan to go crazy. Seen a few of them on YouTube with little to no details on how they made it work. Seen a few posts here that are very old.
I guess no one has figured out a easily repeated option for the Automatic yet.
I would think the market for these would be a huge with the widespread head gasket issues.
I haven't seen a earlier model 80 with a head gasket issue yet
I have had a few old Mercedes diesels and they are are extremely easy to keep going and you can typically find one for under a grand.
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The HG thing is way over blown. I have nothing against the 3fe but it has nothing over the 1fz except pounds. If everyone running a 1fz on the original HG barked it out as loudly as those who had to replace a HG, I’m quite sure my point would made. And, if someone had to do it twice, it wasn’t done properly the first time.
By the time most HG’s need replacement, a head refresh would be a good idea anyway. This way the top end is ready to live as long as the extremely stout bottom end.
By the time most HG’s need replacement, a head refresh would be a good idea anyway. This way the top end is ready to live as long as the extremely stout bottom end.
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Cheapest option is goign to be finding the same engine pulled feom another rig. Rebuilding will be waaay more expensive and people are generally pulling those foe LSswaps,more power.
Next best option would be a 1fz. Cheap but a bit more work with harness.
Next best option would be a 1fz. Cheap but a bit more work with harness.
Do you truly believe that this over blown? Toyota has long term reliability with most of their trucks. (250,000-300,000+ miles easily)
I haven't seen a 80 1fz with over 250,000 without a gasket issue. If they exist it would be nice to see the what they have in common maybe "similar built dates".
All manfactures have problems from time to time but if nearly everyone has the same issue it's a design flaw. The 1fz has a design flaw when compared to other Toyota engines.
Nearly everyone respects the ls motor but early oil pump failure is common on certain years.
The 12 valve 6bt is legend but the KDP will was a design flaw.
Honestly, most 80s have low mileage for the age. The HG issue seems to happen regardless of maintenance.
Not many orginal owners of 80 series out there to confidently saw if the 200,000+ miles 20+ year old truck has orginal HGs.
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Definitely not overblown, just hit the search button and the truth be told. Regardless, 3FE is a tractor motor, its slow, underpowered, and get zero love on MUD...I get it. But it won't eat HGs like the 1fz..that's the truth, and that's all it has on the 4.5L. Who doesn't like more power, everybody does, and i know i do too. Would be interesting to see down the road when everybody is boosting their 1fz to see how truly reliable it can be cause i know not everybody could afford a new rebuild prior to slapping on for more boost...
By 250k most cars are in the junk yard. Those who feel pain squeal. The rest drive on obliviously.
It isn't 1980 anymore. With fuel injection a lot of cars/trucks/suv are making it well beyond 250,000 miles people just get tired of using them that long. Those that don't usually have a well documented design flaw.
I have nearly 60 year cars with the original drive train.
I don't forsee my 30+ year old Landcruisers giving up anytime soon.
The 80 series has earned it's respect and is a well-regarded vehicle.
I have called 4x4 labs and no one on here seems to have the answer so I am assuming that an om617 doesn't easily go into an 80 series which was my original question
It may be cheaper to import a diesel 80 myself then to do an LS swap.
It may be cheaper to import a diesel 80 myself then to do an LS swap.
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Would anyone expect engine swap to be easy?
These adpater plate companies, custom engine mount, and painless wiring companies make lot of money selling a few pounds of metal because it makes things easier.
LS motors have went up in price and they are getting harder to find.
Easy is a relative term. An LS swap in many cases is as easy as it gets unless you go with a stock swap.
I am not looking to pinoeer new solutions or spend 3x the value to get something on the road.
LS motors have went up in price and they are getting harder to find.
Easy is a relative term. An LS swap in many cases is as easy as it gets unless you go with a stock swap.
I am not looking to pinoeer new solutions or spend 3x the value to get something on the road.
