Oil filter concerns
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I used WIX oil filters for awhile until I couldn't get them anymore so I started buying K&N the last couple oil changes. I would get any of these two or go OEM. Donaldson makes good filters too if you can get your hands on something that will fit your 80.
I use Fram no problem,but Ichange every 3,000 miles. MIKE
I will say I think Fram is an inferior product compared to the ones I listed above but for 3,000 miles I'm sure it holds up fine.
90915-20004 .......nuf said...
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Good oil filters are
Toyota
Ac Delco
Wix/Napa Gold
mobil one
k/n
the good brand of purolater
all of these have performed good in different tests
Toyota
Ac Delco
Wix/Napa Gold
mobil one
k/n
the good brand of purolater
all of these have performed good in different tests
12 cruisers,30 years of use,no problems with Fram but I do change every 3000 miles and use Mobil One. Mike
Michael, you're just BAITING for someone to badmouth Fram. So I'll bite and go - heh.
I'm sure they'll do the minimum specs, but Fram has a long reputation for cutting corners which a look at some of the popular oil/filter forums will reveal. Being that some of their issues stem from inferior interior construction leading to instant failure, I would not trust one on even a short 3000 mile cycle as it could happen at mile 10, or mile 2999 and either one costs serious wear or damage. For a few bucks more, I prefer a higher quality unit on an item that costs less than $10 and whose failure can cost $5000.
DougM
I'm sure they'll do the minimum specs, but Fram has a long reputation for cutting corners which a look at some of the popular oil/filter forums will reveal. Being that some of their issues stem from inferior interior construction leading to instant failure, I would not trust one on even a short 3000 mile cycle as it could happen at mile 10, or mile 2999 and either one costs serious wear or damage. For a few bucks more, I prefer a higher quality unit on an item that costs less than $10 and whose failure can cost $5000.
DougM
I agree with Doug here. Grab a wix filter and a fram filter in each hand. There is a noticeable difference in weight. I'm just about always going the more industrial/heavy weight route.
WarDamnEagle
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I recently tried an Amsoil filter on mine. Not sure it's worth the price but the specs looked impressive. I added a couple for the 4Runner and the 80 to an ATF order for the 80. Probably not worth the price.
I understand, If it doesnt work for yall . However my trucks have been used pulling construction material,boats and 5 kids through the mountains of Arkansas in all types of weather.The cruisers have not been babied but have gotten consistant maint. I would agree there are better filters and if it makes everybody feel better I will switch brands.
It is not a matter of "if there are better filters" it is the fact that the FRAM filters are the bottom of the barrel and almost universally considered to be junk. We have had at least 1 thread where the guy had a "new" FRAM oil filter and it was squirting oil all over the engine. He thought he had a busted head based on where the oil was landing. Come to find out, his filter failed catastrophically. There were some good pictures in that thread. I will try to find it if you need more evidence than given below.
Do your own research if you doubt this. Here is a start:
Toyota Filters - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
Opinions and Recommendations - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
Fram Extra Guard
Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system. The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.
Fram Double Guard
Another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram. The filter itself is a slightly improved design over the Fram Extra Guard, but still uses the same filter element. It has a silicone anti-drainback valve, a quality pressure relief valve, and enough inlet holes for good flow. The big problem is that they are trying to cash in on the Slick 50 craze. They impregnate the filter element with bits of Teflon like that found in Slick 50. As with Slick 50, Teflon is a solid and does not belong in an engine. It cannot get into the parts of the engine that oil can and therefore does nothing. Also, as the filter gets dirty, it ends up filtering the Teflon right out. DuPont (the manufacturer of Teflon) does not recommend Teflon for use in internal combustion engines. Please do not waste your money on this filter.
Fram High Mileage
Yet another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram! Gotta love these guys. It's a Fram Extra Guard with a weird goo cartridge suspended on the clean side of the filter, blocking the outlet. It's supposed to be some kind of additive package, but if you want a high mileage oil, buy a high mileage oil. I don't trust these guys...sorry.
Pennzoil
This filter is a Fram. It is the exact same design as the Fram Extra Guard filter and it is junk. On the up side, it costs $1 less than the Fram version.
I am certain that nobody here really cares whether or not you switch brands. However, we do care about the dissemination of good technical information and your advice that FRAM filters are fine because that advice goes against the research that many here on 'Mud and many other reliable (i.e. not anecdotal) sources have given.
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It’s not so much about Fram’s being junk (IMHO they are). With the low wear and contamination numbers of the 1FZ and wasting oil on 3K mi changes, one could run a bypass plate and probably get close/the same life from the motor without a filter! But if your going to spend $ and effort to run a filter why not get a better filter, other brands are better filters and can be had for the same or less $. Fram is a good marketing company, not so much a good filter company.
The biggest point of the Fram bash is these other much better oil filters are about the same price. So I don't understand why one wouldnt just say maybe I should switch. Oh that is what you said
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I've been very happy with Pureolator PUREone's in my cars and trucks for a long, long time. I actually already picked one up for my Cruiser when I eventually get around to changing the oil.
If the guy wants to use a Fram let him use a Fram.
I sometimes have some serious problems with the group-think mentality in the 80 section. If he has had success with past Toyotas with Fram, who are we to say for him that his judgement is wrong?
If he is happy with Fram, than so be it. If he ends up blowing out engine oil, then I am sure he is intelligent enough to understand his mistake and make future judgements accordingly.
I know plenty of people in this section who have made worse mistakes or judgement calls than using a Fram filter, and I am just as guilty.
-onur
I sometimes have some serious problems with the group-think mentality in the 80 section. If he has had success with past Toyotas with Fram, who are we to say for him that his judgement is wrong?
If he is happy with Fram, than so be it. If he ends up blowing out engine oil, then I am sure he is intelligent enough to understand his mistake and make future judgements accordingly.
I know plenty of people in this section who have made worse mistakes or judgement calls than using a Fram filter, and I am just as guilty.
-onur
My Amsoil dealer gave me an order catalogue. They were advertising a lot of Donaldson filters but I'm not sure who makes the Amsoil filter I used. Maybe Donaldson???
I used to change filters on $500,000 Caterpillars when I was a Heavy Duty Mechanic/Welder, and although the brands I used to use, are irrelevant here, why would the owners of that expensive equipment skimp on a consumable like oil filters?
I use OEM only...$4.75 with the dealer coupon at my local dealer.
Buy Japanese filters for Japanese vehicles...Buy American filters for American vehicles.
I'm sure Cdan could hook you up for a good price.
I use OEM only...$4.75 with the dealer coupon at my local dealer.
Buy Japanese filters for Japanese vehicles...Buy American filters for American vehicles.
I'm sure Cdan could hook you up for a good price.
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