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Hi all. I'm new to the world of Cruiser vehicles(hopefully buying a BJ74 within the next day or so) and I'm wondering if owning a 24 volt vehicle is going to cause me any big problems? What are the big drawbacks and what are the benefits of a 24 volt vehicle. Should I let this 24 volt issue stop me from buying a nice 88' bJ74?
Thanks for any info.

RACKMAN
 
There’s lots of info on here about the whole 24 volt thing, however in brief:

Benefits:

-She will start like lightning
-Its much more resilient to adverse conditions (cold etc.)
-It’s a more efficient system (less line drop)
-If adding a winch/ inverter/ compressor etc you will get big gains in efficiency
-You can show off your cigarette lighter that says 24V :)

Detractors:

-You will have to hunt a bit harder for light bulbs and other components
-You will have to install some solution (converter/equalizer/2nd alt) to power a stereo
-If you ever need a jump start it is a bit more involved (but still doable) (you can still jump other trucks btw...)
-You will have to learn a bit more about electrical systems than normal



Iv got an 89 BJ74 24V, I would never go back… you will LOVE the truck, there’s also lots of help & knowledge on here when/if you run into a jam
GO FOR IT!

-walk
 
Thanks Walker. I'm very excited, but a little hesistant at the same time about this purchase. I'm so used to building and wheelin' jeeps for the past 13 years, it's a little un-nerving to think about learning an entirely different vehicle, but I'm a very mechanical person so it should be alright( I hope). Anyways, if you have time could you give me an idea on how it would work if I needed a boost from a 12 volt vehicle...you mentioned that it was a bit more involved? Thanks.

RACKMAN
 
You only have to do a search to realise how susceptible they are to problems.
You would think with 2 batteries they would be bombproof and you would never be stuck .

But no,one goes flat and the other battery is as useless as tits on a duck.

They say the 24 v have some benefits in cold climates and are a superior system all round ,maybe they are on paper ,but I would rather have a 12v with a good heater.
There are posts on the diesel and 24v forum 2-3 times a week about problems or headaches with 24 v set ups.
Many of them from low klms JDM imports so I hate to think what they will be like when they have 300000klms on the clock.
They far outnumber the problems owners have with 12v

The 2 batteries hog room in the engine bay

Ive got 2x12v cruisers and have not had any electrical problems at all.
My 12v cruisers have 110- 120 amp alternators ,the 24v have 50 amp or less?
Someone said the 24v have lightening starts. Well once glowed mine start within one second

I would own a 24v cruiser if I had no other choice but under sufferance.
 
Wow! Those are 2 very different outlooks on 24volt...Now I'm definitely not sure if I should buy this BJ74...the last thing I want is a bunch of problems getting parts and having a low power alt is also disconcerning as I do alot of remote camping and wheelin' and run lots of 12 volt accesssories, like a small fridge/cooler. Any body else have any insight on this issue?Thanks.

RACKMAN
 
Rosco's just the Grinch that stole christmas! Ive got a 24V HZJ60. That 50 amp alternator is actually a 100 amp alternator in comparisson to a 12V system. If 24V wasnt superior NATO wouldnt be using it.
 
If you don’t set the system up properly to begin with then yes you WILL run into problems. The thing is you have to know the theory behind how the systems work. People are used to 12V setups, not so much with 24. If they were not good systems then like HZJ60 guy says, NATO and every other military on the planet would NOT use them. The same for fixed wing and fling wing aircraft, almost all of these use 24 volt or better. Large industrial equipment and large marine equipment is almost always 24 of better. They ARE solid the thing is you have to know what your dealing with and acclimatize properly. For example do NOT use unmatched batteries, most of the problems iv seen are a result of people that have two batteries that were either bought at different times, are different brands or are different capacities. Any mismatch in the cells will ultimately lead to failure, so its essential that you get two brand spanking new batteries. Furthermore once they are new you want to connect them into parallel outside the truck and stick a charger on them to be sure they are both fully balanced.
Also many problems come from people pulling power off of just one cell unaware of the long term consequences. Prime culprits of this seem to be car audio shops which at least here in Victoria all appear to have totally incompetent techs, as all three big shops here were trying to tell me there is nothing wrong with pulling power off of just one battery as they are doing 3-4 times a week and all the stereos work. That’s going to be a lot of pissed off people who are going to loose their batts in the next year and thus lodge complaints against 24V unjustly (in my mind.)

As for running your 12Volt accessories, my suggestion is to do it with an equalizer that way you have the ability to pull more load than the units rated capacity, also it is a super easy way to be sure that your batteries are always within balance (+- .05V.)

Also as stated above a 50amp 24V alternator is the equivalent of a 100amp 12V alternator. Think of a wall socket at 120V, (for those folks from North America) the average socket is on a 15 amp breaker. But I assure you there is far more POWER (watts) in 15amp @ 120V vs 15amps @ 12V

Amps x volts = watts
15A x 120V= 1800W
15A x 24V= 360W
15A x 12V= 180W

Another thing that is of importance, where about’s do you live Rackman? If you are going to be operating it in cold climates 24 is a big bonus, lets say for example you don’t always have the advantage of being able to plug the block and batts in…. 24 is a good thing to have.

And my BJ74 cold start in the morning, NOT glowed is well under ½ a second… not that that’s a big deal, its just a rather nice change from my old dual batt 12V BJ60 and every other diesel iv ever driven.

Also for jumping what you have to do, is attach the jump cables to ONE battery then sit there for 10 min while it charges, then the same with the other… so it’s a bit more involved takes some time, but it is doable. Also as a final note, yes if one battery fails you will be less likely to start it. However if one battery fails on a 12 volt system well guess what… your still hooped, at least with a 24 you still have some power for some systems.
 
Wow! Those are 2 very different outlooks on 24volt...Now I'm definitely not sure if I should buy this BJ74...the last thing I want is a bunch of problems getting parts and having a low power alt is also disconcerning as I do alot of remote camping and wheelin' and run lots of 12 volt accesssories, like a small fridge/cooler. Any body else have any insight on this issue?Thanks.

RACKMAN

Dont let me put you off:D.Im sure you will be ok. To be fair, half,maybe more of the 24v problems are due to owners attaching 12v accessories to one battery causing the batteries to have unequal power and thus ,starting problems.
Often the attachment is done by the PO leaving the new owner scratching his head(or pulling his hair out).

Like the other guys said ,you will need to study up on 24v and keep it in tip top shape.
The things you want to add like the fridge are doable if you do them correctly.
Many fridges have a 12/24v mode
 
Thanks for the info Walker. For the record I live in Calgary ,Alberta Canada, so yes, cold starting is an issue. As for this equalizer...Would this devise just mount between the 2 batteries? So I could hook up 12 volt lines off of one battery to run my 12 volt stuff and this equalizer would equally drain both batteries? Is that how it would work? Thanks.

RACKMAN
 
Thanks for the info Walker. For the record I live in Calgary ,Alberta Canada, so yes, cold starting is an issue. As for this equalizer...Would this devise just mount between the 2 batteries? So I could hook up 12 volt lines off of one battery to run my 12 volt stuff and this equalizer would equally drain both batteries? Is that how it would work? Thanks.

RACKMAN

It is a little more invovled than that. I chose to hook up an xfmr to reduce the voltage to 12v and put a little fuse block in off of that. IMOP that helps avoid all the batt equalizing problems. Secondly budget in 2 new good quality batteries off the start, it will save you alot of trouble if this is coming to you from Japan. I screwed with the ones that came with it through a winter and it sucked. Since I put in two new batts, the biggest I could fit, I have not had a single problem. So far that is the best 330 bucks I have put into my rig. I am in Edmonton and a quick install of lower rad hose heater made starting a breeze in -35, i highly suggest it. Other than that they are great rigs, I keep looking at newer Tacomas and every time I drive my BJ I don't know why I botherd. This site is great for help and you would have some of the most knowledgable guys around for help in Calgary should any problems arrise.

Good Luck
 
Hi, i also just purchased a 1990 bj74, original rhd converted to lhd. I"m located in south east asia and the conversion was terrible. Can I convert the electrical system to 12 volts or would it be too complicated and/or costly? i also plan to install winches front and rear and unfortunately both my winches are 12 volts, is that possible? thanks, and sorry for the thread hijack:)
 
More volts are better! Ive heard that Detroit is considering going to 36 volts in cars soon. To many accessories included in cars these days. Can you imagine the one or more batteries required for that?!?!?!?!
 
Hi, i also just purchased a 1990 bj74, original rhd converted to lhd. I"m located in south east asia and the conversion was terrible. Can I convert the electrical system to 12 volts or would it be too complicated and/or costly? i also plan to install winches front and rear and unfortunately both my winches are 12 volts, is that possible? thanks, and sorry for the thread hijack:)

Converting a bare engine is not too difficult ,but the the whole vehicle is a nightmare.The 24v system runs too deep to convert easily.
Probably the easiest way would be to have a donor with a complete electrical system to swap over
I dont know of anyone who has done it.

Where was your steering conversion done?
 
I suggest this. Lowey gave me this idea.

"I think you're nuts not to use an accessory third battery if you can find room for it. Stereos don't draw as much as they seem to but they spike and a battery that may only be required to provide and average of 20 A can produce 1000A when required without killing your converter, and alternator. Then when your compressor, and fridge start automatically at the same instant you key the mike on your souped up CB or Ham rig and flash your high beams at somebody just as Vanilla Ice is laying down a heavy beat, you'll have the amps to do it all. That and the fact that you can leave your accessories running all night without the risk of not being able to start in the morning."


Then you could use one of these:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm

That Odyssey battery is 12V and it is small. Yet it still has good 12V power. Connect all your accessories up to that baby and youll be good. Dont worry about the general 24V system, for goodness sakes it was DESIGNED that way. There's nothing wrong with it.
 
The 24V systems are fine.

As others have said, DO NOT run 12V accessories off of one battery or will hate what happens in the long run. Get a decent converter (they are not expensive) and use it.

Use large lead/acid batteries (not optima or similar). They should be identical in every respect: age, size, colour, gender, date of production, religious beliefs etc... since that will help in the long run. If you need to replace one, you must do them both at the same time.

The BJ74 is superior in almost every respect to a Jeep. Once you've had a BJ74 for a while, you'll never go back (same thing about the diesel vs gasoline engine...).
 
Converting a bare engine is not too difficult ,but the the whole vehicle is a nightmare.The 24v system runs too deep to convert easily.
Probably the easiest way would be to have a donor with a complete electrical system to swap over
I dont know of anyone who has done it.

Where was your steering conversion done?

I'm from the philippines, and the conversion was done by a local shop. Maybe that's why i got the 74 cheap, because of the butchered conversion. Maybe i'd be better off with new wiring because the original harness is spliced, jumpered, and hacked all to hell. also, the steering box i think is from an ifs pick up. I have the body off right now for some body and chassis repair so maybe hooking up a simplified 12v wiring system isn't too hard? (i'm getting rid of the top and doors by the way, so less wiring)
 
Thanks for the info Walker. For the record I live in Calgary ,Alberta Canada, so yes, cold starting is an issue. As for this equalizer...Would this devise just mount between the 2 batteries? So I could hook up 12 volt lines off of one battery to run my 12 volt stuff and this equalizer would equally drain both batteries? Is that how it would work? Thanks.

RACKMAN

the 24V system is no better or no worse than a 12V system until it comes to repairs. the 24V system always costs more to fix in Canada.
there is no advantage to the 24V system, the cranking is the same, you have 2 batteries to concern yourself with.
running assec off 24V system CAN be a pain but using a solar converter with a shut off switch works fine.

the BJ74 is a fine rig, sensitive throttle can be experienced, mediorcer fuel milage for a diesel is expected. parts can be harder to fine now that the engine is 22 years old design. i would not turn away because of the 24V system.

make sure your insurance company will insure the RHD, it is getting harder and harder to fine companies that will give full coverage.
 
the 24V system is no better or no worse than a 12V system until it comes to repairs. the 24V system always costs more to fix in Canada.
there is no advantage to the 24V system, the cranking is the same, you have 2 batteries to concern yourself with.

One of the main problems of 24v is that it is expected to live in a society of 12v.
If all the accessories were 24v and all the accessory installers were full time 24v installers ,then life would be sweet for 24v owners.
As it is,they are an oddball in 12v land;)
 
I'm from the philippines, and the conversion was done by a local shop. Maybe that's why i got the 74 cheap, because of the butchered conversion. Maybe i'd be better off with new wiring because the original harness is spliced, jumpered, and hacked all to hell. also, the steering box i think is from an ifs pick up. I have the body off right now for some body and chassis repair so maybe hooking up a simplified 12v wiring system isn't too hard? (i'm getting rid of the top and doors by the way, so less wiring)

Its a bit hard to say what to do in your case. I would try and work with what I have and find somone trustworthy to tidy up the existing wiring conversion.
 
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