New Seats In The 60

[Doc]

New Seats In The 60 (electrical help required!) UPDATE!

I scored a pretty nice deal on some 2004 Honda Pilot seats from e-bay. The drivers is 4-way power adjustable, the passengers is standard.

I recieved the seats on Friday and started trying to figure out how to mount them. I re-used the two inner FJ60 floor pan mounts, and the rear most outer with an adapter plate, but the front outer mount needs to be a new hole. When I got the passengers side seat mounted the seat height is the same as the OE cruiser seats. BUT when you sit in them you sit much higher in the pilot seats because the OE cruiser seat springs sag much more. Pilot seats are much more firm.

Ok, now to the issues at hand.

The drivers POWER seat. I have the pig tail plug for suppling power to the seat

Plug Pic

The pig tail has six wires. Two blue, two red, and two black. One red and one blue wire (the un-stripped ones in the pic) are of thinner gauge wire than the other four. The other four are all the same gauge.

Here's how the seat is supposed to work (photocopied at the Honda dealership this morning)

Instructions

And here's the electrical diagram

Diagram

From what I can tell, both of the blue and red wires are constantly powered? The black is ground?

I know zip about electrical stuff- so can someone confirm or deny this from the diagram?

Also, is it OK to splice all four of those wires together to tap power from a single source? What amperage of fuse should I be looking at, 15? 7.5?

I'll take pictures of the finished product when they both go in. Thanks for any help you can give.

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

I plan on putting a set of recaros in my 60.

TB

 

[G-Cat]

Doc,

Might want to edit your message and title it "electrical help needed" or similar. Probably a lot of Ginks who know electrical could care less about new seats. Me? I know dick about electrical, but will read a post about seats all day long!!

 

[DieselROCKS]

Yeah. I'd try putting 12v to the wires you're thinking about...from the diagram you seem to be right...before you install them and find that you've picked the wrong ones. The other ones for a heating element maybe??

Yes you can tap them all from one source as for the fuse....what was in the honda??

Giver
Geoff

 

[Doc]

Well, I'm reluctant to just throw 12v to them and "see what happens", as I'd really be bummed to burn up a motor or something.

There is no heating element in the seats, so the wires are all for motors, which makes sense as there are three motors under there I believe. (two wires per motor?)

There were two different fuses in the honda fuse box for the seat- I'm pretty sure both were 15 amp fuses.

 

[DieselROCKS]

If there's two fuses for that seat, there's another wiring diagram to be had and that would be your answer to all those extra wires

 

[troyintahoe]

Seats

I just put Accord buckets in my 60. They were power seats also. I had to remove the power motors because it made me sit too high. Good luck! Troy

 

[Doc]

If there's two fuses for that seat, there's another wiring diagram to be had and that would be your answer to all those extra wires

I'm getting the assumption that there are two fuses from the drawing, it looks to me like the red and blue wires go to two seperate areas in the fuse box.

I guess I don't know for sure that there are two 'seat' fuses.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Those seats sound like a good fit for the cruiser, my toyota supra seats were kind tall with the electric motors under the seat.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

No schematics so we just kept trying different wire configerations until the electrics worked.

Yours should be a piece of cake with the schematics.

Shoot off te pics once installed.

Picture of the seat in the raised position and lowered position. Very nice how you can tilt the seat forward and back for that comfortable ride and the seats hold you in place with the electric lumbar and bolster supports.

 

[Doc]

Yeah, I have the lumbar's too... should be a nice seat once it's up and running.

I figured using the seats from another SUV would put them at pretty much the same height as the OE seats, so I wasn't too worried about it. I was surprised how close the two are though.

The amount of modification to make them fit was pretty simple too, I don't consider myself much of a mechanic type, but I only had to drill one hole in the floor, so that's a good thing!

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Look forward to the pics.

 

[Doc]

Installed pics:

The small hole in the brown support near the front corner is the access hole I drilled to drill the new hole needed for that postion. It's the only hole I had to drill.

Here's the back of 'em. Lots of pockets to stuff...

You can kind of see that they sit just a BIT higher than OE here. If anyone can relate to the sitting postion in an 80 series as opposed to a 60- the Pilot seats sit more like the 80 series do in height and relation to the dash.

Don't think I ever posted pics of the new hella lights- here they are.

 

[crawlin60]

Nice looking seat dude! One thought on the install, the motors may be wired to switch polarity for fwd-rev operation, so having just power going in, with a circuit breaker (not a fuse) of same amps as the oem application would make sense. I suppose that they get ground thru the base (bolts to the body, that is gnd in any case) like everything else.

 

[Doc]

Done!

I had to use some inginuity (sp?) to get the drivers seat mounted. The OE honda seat bracket was way too high.

I went to menards to buy some 2" channel, but came out with 1.5" perforated steel square tube. Nice stuff! With the height adjustment of the power seat I was able to get it up to the right driving height, with still about an inch of upward adjustment available.

Of course, the power sliders work nicely, and the lumbar feature is just more icing on the cake.

Wiring was much simpler than I imagined. I tore apart the underseat wiring harness and there were only two wires that needed to get power. I spliced them togeter and sourced out some power- and it works grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!

Here's the finished product:

A little bit of loyalty showing in Iowa-

Anyway, so it's all done now-

 

[eppy]

Seat brackets pictures -

Hi can you please put up these pictures again, cause Im gonna replace my seats with 1995 Celica seats.

Of all the threads I only found this thread that actually show the bracket.
Im looking for ideas.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=44671&highlight=seat+bracket
Has somebody som pictures of their install.
Here is my "new" 1987 HJ60 ride