New Ironman suspension installed, with measurements

[McDuff123]

Did the ¼" spacer go on top of the hat, or did you have to disassemble the strut? I have the identical lean with Stage 3 FCP. It is actually mush better than the lean I had before, which was more like 1.5-1.75in

On top of the hat, while we were installing the new front suspension.
At this point, I wish I hadn’t put in a spacer...with KDSS, I had a lean to the drivers side with the stock suspension.
Installed the 2.5” lift, assumes the lean would stay consistent, so prophylacticly added the spacer to the Drivers side.
However, it seems that the new geometry on the sway bars has now got me leaning to the passenger side!
(KDSS is fixed on one end of the sways, and the hydraulic actuator is on the other end). Had I left everything alone, I’d be more level.
The enemy of good is better...

 

[Rspring]

McDuff - you might be able to adjust the lean out with your KDSS. If not, I'm in the market for .25 spacer.

 

[McDuff123]

McDuff - you might be able to adjust the lean out with your KDSS. If not, I'm in the market for .25 spacer.

Heard.

I tried the old “loosen the actuator bolts and drive onto a 4x4” trick...no bueno.
Thing that has helped the most is the “lean eliminator kit” from Treaty Oak 4x4... basically a trio of overpriced aluminum spacers.
If I take the trim packer off, you’re 1st in line.

 

[DRANGED]

Doesn't IM have a .pdf for recalibrating KDSS when adding their lift?

*Edit* found it....
https://cdn.livechat-files.com/api/...SS Instructions Prado_4Runner_GX470_GX460.pdf

 

[McDuff123]

Doesn't IM have a .pdf for recalibrating KDSS when adding their lift?

*Edit* found it....
https://cdn.livechat-files.com/api/file/lc/att/11066822/7b4354fbf6d42a5d11a9a1639d179d1d/Ironman 4x4 KDSS Instructions Prado_4Runner_GX470_GX460.pdf

Thanks for that...
Yeah, I’ve tried all the “loosen the valves and re-set” strategies. None work.
Interesting thing is, the lean comes and goes...KDSS seems to have a mind of its own.
I’ve grown accustomed to seeing the lean while parked. When driving, I *think* I’m level.

 

[DRANGED]

@McDuff123

The question which i need to refloat to IM @O Ironman @CMiller is this...

With a FCP lift on a gx470 (assume performance springs), does the added 2.5" lift (whatever the final measure is considering vehicle presentation with add-ons (drawers, bumpers or whatever or none)) affect the KDSS hydraulic arm's travel? When resetting/recalibrating the KDSS system to the new normal ride height (i assume the arm is repositiomed with the new height, whereas non-kdss kits have sway bar bracket/tie rod extensions), does KDSS sway bar travel still afford greater suspension articulation or is kdss articulation hindered any measurable amount.

Does that make sense?

 

[McDuff123]

@McDuff123

The question which i need to refloat to IM @O Ironman @CMiller is this...

With a FCP lift on a gx470 (assume performance springs), does the added 2.5" lift (whatever the final measure is considering vehicle presentation with add-ons (drawers, bumpers or whatever or none)) affect the KDSS hydraulic arm's travel? When resetting/recalibrating the KDSS system to the new normal ride height (i assume the arm is repositiomed with the new height, whereas non-kdss kits have sway bar bracket/tie rod extensions), does KDSS sway bar travel still afford greater suspension articulation or is kdss articulation hindered any measurable amount.

Does that make sense?

I could see where a lift “limits” the articulation of the KDSS, if the hydraulic component (drivers side up front) is attached to the frame or a fixed point (which I’m not sure about). The hydraulic ram has a fixed throw, whatever that distance is. If you “push” it into its mid stoke by installing longer springs, you’ve in essence reduced the amount it can further articulate. If the hydraulic arm is mounted to something that flexes with the suspension (UCA, etc) then this phenomena would be lessened, and articulation would increase somewhat.
As to the lean, because the sway bar is hard mounted on the passenger side, this becomes a pivot point when the sway bar articulates. The hydraulic side (driver) can move down more, or in other words, push the body up more. This is why the D side is higher, hence the lean.
At least that’s how my brain sees it...

 

[subspd]

When you say you got the stock firmness. That means you got the “2.5 performance load“ springs?

 

[McDuff123]

When you say you got the stock firmness. That means you got the “2.5 performance load“ springs?

No, they also have a “comfort” load. Their softest. I don’t always see it on their drop downs...might have to call and ask for it.
EDIT...it still provides about 2” of lift, but is calibrated for no additional weight-carrying.

 

[DRANGED]

They offer comfort, performance and consistent.
Comfort is a.scosh higher spring rate than stock, but only barely. Like if stock is.589, comfort is 600.
Performance is 650ish and consistent 700ish (give or take on these rates).

 

[subspd]

Thanks! That’s what I needed to know 650 is what I hear should be the minimum for our trucks.