My New 60

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I'll get down there today and take pics. My truck is older, so it'll look a little different, but it will give you an idea.

I couldn't see any connections in your photo, but I'm sure they're connected lower down somewhere. If they weren't connected, nothing would be working.
 
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Hey Doc,

Are you reporting voltage from the stock dash guage? They are "ballpark" accurate only.

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The 12.25 V at idle is what the guy holding the diagnostic tool at Oreily's told me. the 13V is a 'guestimate' based on the stock gauge.
 
The disconnected hard lines under the rad are the power steering cooler. Its supposed to be plumbed into the low pressure return so that the fluid is cooled before returning to the tank.

The igniton setup looks a bit scary with the + leads going directly to the battery. They do have fuses in themn don't they? Are they switched through the ignition relay, or are the ON all the time? That might account for the dead battery problem.
 
I just noticed that the original coil and igniter are tucked under the new coil. If they are still functional, I'd lose the big blue box and return it to stock wiring. I've read that the OE ignition is more than adequate for this engine and there is little gain when running higher energy systems - maybe I'm just into stock wiring.
 
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I just noticed that the original coil and igniter are tucked under the new coil. If they are still functional, I'd lose the big blue box and return it to stock wiring. I've read that the OE ignition is more than adequate for this engine and there is little gain when running higher energy systems - maybe I'm just into stock wiring.
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I would very much like to do this. How would I go about doing that? I don't trust anything that the PO put on the truck. All of his wiring is really scary and bad. Is there an easy way for a half :banana: electrical guy like myself to find out if the OE system still works?
 
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The disconnected hard lines under the rad are the power steering cooler. Its supposed to be plumbed into the low pressure return so that the fluid is cooled before returning to the tank.

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Is this an important function to retain? If so, where should the lines go? a pic would be great, or a detailed description. So.. somewhere the power steering lines must be linked together, or all my power steering fluid would be gone, no?
 
The easiest way to straighten out the ignition wiring would be to have a stock truck parked next to yours to compare while remove the mods. Got any friends with 60s? The next best way is to have the stock wiring diagram from the factory service manual. Since this isn't your daily driver, I wouldn't be too worried about removing all the aftermarket stuff and them figuring out what's missing.

For the steering cooler, it will probably work fine without it. Toyota designed it for operation in 105F temps in the Sahara. Sometimes the cooler tube will rust out and leak. The simple fix is to bypass it. The original plumbing is to have the return hose from the steering gear connected to one end of the cooler. The other end of the cooler is plumbed to the return nipple on the Steering fluid resevoir.
 
One big worry about getting rid of that ignition mess will be the guts of the distributor. I agree with 60wag about having another one setting side-by-side that's stock. It would help - but as long as the PO didn't hack into the wiring harness (*cough - sure he didn't) it's pretty easy - only a handful of wires going into the coil. Funny that he just piled that crap up on top of the orig stuff.

On the inside of your distributor, there's a pick-up sensor in there - hopefully that's not all gone. You may have to replace the distributor if it's screwed up. You'll need to get the manuals to undo a lot of this stuff.

Undoing PO stuff is the bane of 60 ownership.
 
Yeah, but there are no landcruisers around. Iowa is tough on steel.

Yeah, I need to look into getting the manuals. I'd like to get it back as much to stock as I can!

Where can I get a wiring diagram? I tried the birfield link, but no engine manuals, just chassis/body.

*edit, I'm downlading the 'F' engine manual, I suppose it's the right one?*
 
Baring any un-forseen harness cutting, I should be able to just plug the coil wire back into the coil and plug the factory harness back in and be up and running?

Unless of course the distrib is messed with.
 
I forgot to take pics of the ignition stuff - wouldn't have the chance to yank the dist cap anyway...but here's the fusable link stuff. The first shot shows the general placement. This is a temp fix that just keeps on going - I was going to replace the fusable links, but I personally like the inline fuses just fine. I'm not running a winch or 1000w of lights or anything, so it holds up well. If I ever do any of that, I'll set it up as a 2 batt system and wire in a new fuse box/circut. Anyway, it works.
 
This shows more detail where it hooks to the harness. When i have the low output alt problem, it's with the large white wire connection. The other wires are much smaller and run aux stuff. Big white is all the big stuff - lights, charging system - I don't know why they didn't sep it out a little more, but hey, I'm no engineer. Check the leads on the white wire - and there's no real way to check the fusable link, unless you do a contanuity (sp?) test - and I'm not sure how that all works - so I'd say, yank it out and put in an inline fuse, 30amp, and see what happens. You can pick the whole thing up at Oreilly's for about $3 and it's easy/cheap enough to do as a test. (could still be the alt.)

Replace all of them while you're there. May as well. Eventually you can go back to a fusable link if you want - there's a good thread on here about what to use and some good suggestions.

And a fusable link is a black wire with a big rubber tab on it. You'll see it once you get in there.
 
The igniter, the box mounted on top of the OE coil, is between the pickup in the dizzy and the coil. It has a +12 and ground leads. If the OE connecters are still there, it should be straight forward. I'll bet they got clipped off when the blue thing was installed.
 
I'm downlading the 'F' engine manual, I suppose it's the right one?*

2F for the '60 series.... get the factory Body Manual (covers several systems) and the factory Emissions Manual too.... Both the Toyota Body Manual and the Haynes Manual have electrical wiring diagrams that are fairly straight forward to follow. Toyota also has a stand alone Electrical manual that also covers the wiring diagram issue. Electrical work is more tedious than it is difficult -- much patience and logical detective work should put you on the right path.

HTH,
-dogboy- '87 FJ60
 
Thanks Swank60! Great pics, I'll dig into the wires tomorrow night. Tonight when I got home I had to swap out the 'new' alternator for my old one and return the new one to O'reiley's for a refund. At least they were cool about returning a installed part.

I'm pretty sure I don't have a voltage drain. It ran all day today without a problem. I think the voltage fluctuations I saw was the alternator plug working it's way out. I've solved that issue by wrapping the other wire on the back of the alternator around it and then bolting this other wire back onto the alt. No way is that plug falling out twice.

I'm going to go-ahead and do the fuse swap on the fuseable links though, looks like a good idea. Also going to dig into the ingnition either tomorrow or this weekend.

After the alternator swap and getting the rear wiper up and running I'm pretty much done working on the truck tonight. I need a break! I also need to work an oil change into the picture this week. Mobil 1 and a Fram X2 filter. Nothing but the best for my beater!

There's a lot of good information here- you guys must know your cruisers! This will be a baptisim by fire for me, as I've never done any major repairs on a vehicle. But that's a good thing- I need to be more proficient with these kinds of things.

I downloaded the engine manual and printed off the electrical systems part. Some good stuff in there too. I read up on the retard/advance vaccum adjuster thingy on the distrib. Is it really that easy to adjust timing on the 60? Just turn a knob on the distributor? I need to peek in my engine bay with the diagrams and see if I can see what they were talking about.

Right now the 60 has been my daily driver, but the little blue Honda auto-xer might see more day light again if I really get going on the ignition system.

After the ignition system, it's new shocks and seats!
 
Oh, one more quick question- will the ignitor and coil from a 1982 Fj60 work on my rig? There's one on e-bay I might bid on, has an intact pigtail harness. (First I'd need to make sure mine is either cut or intact)...
 
You may want to hold on to that alt (if it's good) - the voltage reg may be bad in it - just throw try the f-links switch. It may not fix your problem, but it's worth a try - like I said, that's what mine does - but I know what my truck is prone to doing. I'm not familiar with yours, so it's a whole other kettle of fish. (I hope it does work. It's an easy fix)

I think the ebay ignitor would work - the 60s are all pretty much the same. Someone else may want to chime in on that one. I'd hold off on a bid though, unless you can pick it up for $5 or something. Seems like I've seen it come up a few times before...plus, BigSur is parting out an '85 - you can probably buy what you need from him...

Also, stay away from the Fram filters. There's a thread about oil filters here with a great link about what's what in filters. There's a lot bad with Fram. I'm checking out different ones - next oil change I'm putting on a Mobil1 that has a synthetic element. It cost $12, but hey...also, K&N makes a decent one ($13), and AutoZone also has one made by Bosch ($6). You'll spend a few extra bucks, but you may save your engine (and you can wring a lot of miles out of a 2f)

Also, if your wiring is intact, you should be able to plug right in (ignition). I just don't know what has to be done to get that blue whirrly-gig to sensor inside the dizzy (that's where the magic happens). I converted a points type dizzy to aftermarket electronic on my TR6 and you basically had to gut everything and replace it. Hope that's not the case with that Jacobs thing. Take some photos of what's in there and post them before you tear it all apart - otherwise it'll be sitting in the driveway not moving until you can get it right again. Better to analyze it, figure out what you're doing, get the parts ordered, then tear it apart. For now, it's running, and that's not a bad thing.

On the timing, there's one bolt on the base of the dizzy - loosen it, and you twist the whole body. Very typical setup. The vac advance works off of manifold pressure and/or other stuff to dynamically adjust the timing according to load conditions.

60wag makes a good point about that ign wiring though - I don't see any kind of fuse rigged in either, and the guy did a slop job hooking it up - leaving the orgi stuff in there speaks volumes. You'll be working on that truck for a few years probably - and most of your time will be spent fixing what the PO did. bypassing the PS cooler (checked mine, and that's what they are for, not the headlight jets...I have to think before I speak more often...) That ign mess...that's just in the first month of ownership. Wait til you find what else he's done...Get the Haynes manual - should be able to pick it up locally - at least until you get the factory manuals. You'll use them all - trust me - but you don't want to start tearing anything apart until you've got a ref to go back to. (there's probably 30+ feet of vac hose under the hood, and you're going to have to unhook some of it...and memory doens't always get that stuff right...)

One thing I've learned about the 60 is this: you really have to spend time working on it and trouble shooting. You can throw parts at it (and $$) but you still may not fix your problem. It's a real mechanical beast, and it needs a mechanic's mindset, not a parts replacer's mindset.
 
Took some more shots of the rats nest called an ignition system. There is one fuse on the hot side of the aftermarket system. Good news is that it looks like the factory harness is in tact. Looks like all he did was un-couple two wires from the factory coil or ignitor and hook them into that bridge thingy. I forgot to take the cap off of the rotor to take pics of that though. But I bet it's just plugged into that like a regular wire.

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You can see the factory ignition harness here, still plugged in!

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There are the fuseable links, correct? Swank- why do your fuseable link mods go to the + terminal? Mine go to the negative terminal? WTF?

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