My BJ-60 Odyssey

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It all began in the summer of 2005. I’d been googling for used diesel vehicles with decent gas mileage that are available in the US. My searches led me to VW Jetta TDIs, Reagan-era Mercedes 240D, and, to my surprise, Landcruisers. (Full-size domestic diesel pickups get mileage too poor for my consideration, and Jeep Liberty CRDs were and are too new and expensive for me). I wanted 4wd and something big enough to fit all my possessions, so the BJ and HJ 60-series ‘cruisers began to look awfully tempting. Reading about them in this forum and elsewhere sealed the deal: I was going to get a cruiser for sure, it was just a matter of looking for good deal.

Of course, BJ60s don’t pop up for sale too often in the US and when they do there’s usually a premium for domestic registration. So I widened my search to include Canadian cruisers. Mostly, I checked Craigslist and eBay Motors. In the summer of 2006 I got a little more serious with my search. I sent some emails, made some offers and bids. Then, in late July I spotted a cruiser on ebay that looked especially promising. It already had most of the mods I was interested in. Since I’m not a mechanic and don’t have a garage or tools, I figured it would be best to buy a cruiser requiring minimal modification.

The cruiser in question was a ’83 BJ60 with around 170K miles located in Victoria Island, BC. It has ARB air lockers front and rear, a Kaymar rear bumber with jerry can and tire carriers, a bulbar, a winch, and a little bit of lift. The chief downsides were cosmetic: ugly OD green paint and the usual Canadian rust. However, I was assured by the seller that the mechanicals were totally sound, so I bid to win. It didn’t meet the reserve, but since I was the high bidder, the seller got in touch and we made a deal: $7500 USD.

So, as soon as I could take some time from work I flew up to BC. The seller met me at the ferry from Vancouver to Victoria and took me back to his house/B&B. It was already late, and because the cruiser was at the seller’s mechanic’s place being checked over, I didn’t get to see it that night.

The next day, we drove to the shop to pick up the cruiser. One of the taillights was busted; this was a little disturbing, as I’d specifically asked that it be fixed, but I was there, so I took the keys and we finished up the paperwork.

My drive to the ferry was disconcerting. I was elated to finally have a BJ60 in my possession, but the truck performed worse than expected. The RPMs seemed too high, and the top speed too low. My first thought was that the 4wd light was busted, but the selector was definitely in the 2wd drive position. I even had a guy at a gas station shift from 2 to 4 and back while I looked under the car, and the linkage appeared to be moving properly. I called the seller to ask what was up. He suggested I check that the truck was in 2wd. When I told him I already had, he reminded me that these cars aren’t exactly peppy and assured me that the truck was fine.

I wanted to investigate further, but I had but to keep moving. I had to make the 2pm ferry to have any chance of reaching my registered importer before they closed at 5:00. I stuck to the back roads and drove slow, so I barely made it on time. The ferry was pleasant enough. Beautiful scenery, nice people. Crappy food, though….

So I get to the mainland and barely make to the my RI. I used Chevrolake Importers and, by the way, I definitely recommend them. Of course, many folks can and do import cruisers without the benefit of an RI, but it definitely helps with peace of mind. After we take care of the paperwork I drive to the border, wait in line for over an hour, and explain to a very skeptical customs officer that, yes, I am importing this old beast of a vehicle. I get through.

Here’s where my troubles begin. I stopped at a gas station near Blane, WA to buy a bottle of water. As I’m fishing through my backpack for change, I notice some smoke wisping out from under the hood. I think, ‘okay, just a little leaked oil burning up on some hot engine part.’ No problem. But I keep watching just to be sure. The finger of smoke doesn’t go away. Instead, it gets a little bigger. ****! I pop the hood and jump out of the car while tossing my luggage to the side. I open the hood to find flames licking up from the driver side battery. It’s hot, there are popping sounds. I’m close to panic. Fortunately, my cruiser was built up as a trail rig; there’s a 5lb fire extinguisher in the cab. I manage to put the electrical fire out completely within maybe 60 to 90 seconds from when I first saw the smoke. Some sound deadening insulation on the underside of the hood keeps smoldering until I use the gas station’s extinguisher to finish the job.

AAA, tow trucks, blah blah blah. Fortunately, I have friends in Bellingham, WA who put me up while I waited to hear about the cruiser. The repairs cost a little coin, but, amazingly, the damage was confined to a ruined battery and the wires leading into it. That little fire extinguisher saved my cruiser! (I have since become a proselytizer for fire extinguishers in cars.) The reason for the fire, it turns out, is a loose, unfused wire. Some time back the PO had pulled out the original AM stereo and his mechanic had forgotten to put a fuse on this wire. The wire shorted on the frame and caused the battery to burst into flame. Stupid!

So, apparently the PO’s mechanic did a bull**** job looking over the car. The short could have happened at any time—the PO dodged a bullet that ended up hitting me. I asked the guy who repaired the fire damage to look over the truck. He changed the engine belts and fixed the taillight that was busted. Didn’t have any bright ideas about the RPMs, but he gave the rest of the truck a green light.

He also recommended a transmission specialist: Barrett Transmission in Bellingham. I drove there talked to Brad Barrett who told me had owned an FJ60 in the past. He took mine on a spin around the parking lot and determined that the truck was stuck 4wd. I was happy to have a diagnosis, but not thrilled about the prospect of more repairs, costs, and delays.

Brad pulled the transmission. I don’t know transmissions, but Brad said it was possible that some selector pin had broken, which would be an easy fix. It was also possible that a gear had broken, which would be Bad News. The actual cause was that the 2wd gear was frozen to the shaft. Like, completely frozen. They couldn’t get it off to determine why it had frozen in the first place.

I catch a bus to Seattle, so I won’t have to continue imposing on my Bellingham friends. Bounce around there while Brad hunts for parts. He finds a replacement based on the numbers found on the pulled transmission, but after doing some additional internet research he determines that the this transmission wasn’t native to BJ60—it actually came from a 40-series. He cancels that order and calls up SOR. SOR has no BJ60 transmissions in stock. They have to order it from Japan. I can either wait for their semiannual sea shipment, or expedite it by air freight. I opt for the latter, even though it’s $300 extra. I go back to San Francisco, where I’m spending the summer. I wait. And wait some more. I call up SOR every few days to check the status of the shipment, but they always so ‘on its way.’ Finally, I talk to someone who puts together the alarming news that no one had actually expedited the shipment, it’s still scheduled for the big boat. They can expedite then and there, he says, but I tell him not to bother, since it won’t clear customs before I have to be back at school on the east coast.

Through the fall, I rode my bike a lot and learned to get by without a car. In December, the shipment finally arrived and Brad, who’s generously been storing my cruiser since the summer at his house in the country, made the repair. I shipped the car to Providence and have been using it ever since.

After all that, though, I have second thoughts about owning a cruiser. Obviously, some things didn’t go so well, and I will certainly never buy a car sight unseen in a foreign country again. But beyond that, I’ve realized that it’s unwise to fall in love with a 24 year old truck without the skills, tools, space, and money to repair it myself. I thought this would be a perfect excuse to learn how to service my own car, but now I just don’t see myself doing that. I don’t have the money for tools. I doubt I’ll ever have the space, since I’m moving to San Francisco at the end of the summer. And I no longer really have the inclination. I like the cruiser, but after all the trouble I’ve gone through to get to it, I’m no longer sure it’s right for me.
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sorry to hear about your troubles, throw a turbo on it and go SOA and i dont think youll ever want to let go of it.
If anyone else is looking for a BJ60 they should ask for someone on mud to go over it. Ive seen a few bj60's for sale and thought someone stateside would be interested.
Although the wiring problem might be hard to catch, and its sometimes hard to tell if there is something wrong with the transmission without any obvious signs. But i bet alot of BJ60 owners here would have noticed those transmission symptons in comparison to there own. Or at least email you a thousand pics of what your getting into.
 
bummer about all the issues, but at least you'll always remember it even though it was a total pain in the ass. right? at least now you know the tranny is good and that there are no obvious issues otherwise.

posting this on a landcruiser site will get lots of guys telling you to keep it and get it on the road for a while, but only you know what's right for you.
have you driven it off road any? maybe some wheeling will lift your spirits some, if not post in the for sale section and call it a life experience.


BTW, I like the OD green...
 
Actually, it did turn out to be a good experience. I met a lot of good folks who went above and beyond the call to help me out. I reconnected with some other people that I hadn't managed to stay close with over the years. And of course it's a pretty wild story, what with the fire and all.

As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with the car right now, aside from some cosmetic stuff. So in the end, I got a great cruiser out of it. Just spent a good more money than I'd planned.

You like the OD green? I dunno... I was thinking of giving it the original root beer brown if I ever have the spare cash.
 
Dude, I can totally relate to your horror show, as I have had my share of expensive problems, way beyond what I first envisioned, when I imported an HJ47 from Australia last year. You have my condolences. Quite a story. Sounds like good grounds to walk away, or to begin a long term relationship. I live on Vancouver Island (not "Victoria Island" as you wrote), so I feel a bit bad that your experience was with a local truck. I've been to Rhode Island, so I know how damn far away that place is - quite a journey to pick up a truck.

My goal with my diesel cruisr was to increase my self sufficiency with the vehicle, in terms of not needing to take it to a mechanic, and to know the truck inside and out. I wanted to learn. And since pretty much everything on my truck is in terrible condition, except the all-important chassis, I've had LOTS of opportunities to learn all about my truck. It's costing me WAY, WAY more than I ever imagined, and sometimes it seems like a huge mistake, but I keep persevering and I know I will have it back together soon. You may wish to check out my tale on the 45 owners section, entitled "HJ47 Welcome here?" The recent fun in my project was learning that my engine was toast and having to find a new one, which I did luckily.

Even if you don't keep the truck, you have a great story to tell and some new/reinvigorated friendships, so on balance, maybe the bargain wasn't so bad a deal after all.

:beer:
 
Actually, it did turn out to be a good experience. I met a lot of good folks who went above and beyond the call to help me out. I reconnected with some other people that I hadn't managed to stay close with over the years. And of course it's a pretty wild story, what with the fire and all.

As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with the car right now, aside from some cosmetic stuff. So in the end, I got a great cruiser out of it. Just spent a good more money than I'd planned.

You like the OD green? I dunno... I was thinking of giving it the original root beer brown if I ever have the spare cash.



do I hear a turnaround? :) For the cruiser lover in me, I hope so. We all feel like we're making martyrs out of our rigs here sometimes, myself included.

good luck either way, and if you do keep it, you know you've always got a support group:D :D :D
 
Come check out the diesel section, lots of info on Turbos and many guys love their 3B underpowered cruisers...... :)


Welcome to MUD! now if you do want to sell post it up in the for sale section. But remember since you went thru all that and it is in good health now you at can get a decent buck for it. It's registered in the USA and diesel. So you will get your money back.
 
You need to know what is right for you. My '82 BJ60 makes the drive to and from Central America most years and it does it without complaining and so far without leaving me stranded.
Once you get the truck to the point where everything is looked after it should not be prohibitively expensive nor should it take you a long time to fix if something goes wrong.
For me the 'Cruiser I'm driving now may well be the truck I'm driving 10 years from now. That may not be the case for you.
 
Best part about a BJ60 to me is how easy they are to repair. No sensors and computers to give you grief.
 
Fxxx That Shawnigan Lake Asshat!!!

Ericanand,

I also had a bad, horrible experience with that a****** from Shawingan Lake, I bought a rig off ebay from him "may take a battery to get it started" "drove to the storage place sitting for a year" Storage place meant outside in the BC winter windows rolled down, hood not latched etc.
Once i got up there, there way no way it was moving, tried for two months to get my money back, eventually got some, not all. I was pissed!! Sorry you had a bad experience, a learning one though, same for me, ebay can stick it to you sometimes, i hope you left him some negative feedback. As part of him giving me my cash i agreed not to slander his ebay name.

I remember your rig when we went up there, pretty rusty from what I remember, 7500? was that CDN? What was the company, Bigfoot safari or something like that? What a jerk, man I wish crusty would have gone and socked him in the face like he offered! Hope you can save the good parts!

Chevrolake imports took care of me too, they rock!

Its too bad he's such an a******, the lake was beautiful, we stayed one night, ate an awesome dinner in town on the lake, took a canoe out and went swimming, it was still chilly but wth eh?

Good Luck with whatever you decide! BTW What do you have in the rear? looks heavy!

Someone should really go up there and sock him in the face!:mad:
 
I am sorry to hear about your troubles, I had a similar experience importing mine (although half the drama). I thought that it was underpowered, rusty, noisy, and a pain in the ass to drive well. But when you have to find somebody willing to wait to sell, and work with you, it leaves you with little choice. It is not like we can go to a car lot and pick out the BJ60 of choice. If I were to do it again, I would most likely go for a conversion.

But, after driving the 60 for a while, learning the tricks on how to drive it well, and doing some maintainence I am in love with it.

Hope that the cruiser works out for you and welcome to mud.:cheers:
 
hey, it is funny but I had the same experience with the guy on the Lake; was interested in a Diesel Land Cruiser and talked with him several times BUT he turned me off big time......... had a sixth sense something was not kosher with him and your stories have proved this........so dropped the idea and bought a gasser 55, rusty and failed restoration project BUT the owner was upfront with me and with the PRICELESS help of this forum it is becoming a very dependable vehicle that I plan to be driving 20 years from now :)

Lou
 
rig is for sale

Hey All,

I appreciate all the support! This forum will be the hardest part of the TLC experience for me to leave behind. But, alas, I have decided to sell my 'cruiser. The link is https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=2219965

-Eric
 
Another bad eBay experience

I have whined off and on several times in the past 6 months or so about my stupid decision to buy an HJ60 from an assface in Ft. Lauderdale with no real inspection.

But...

Despite my having to replace the transmission, chop off my roof and weld on a new one, and other assorted b.s. I am TOTALLY smitten with my "Sheila".

Hang in there, spend money getting it into a reliable condition and only then put money into customizations (if ever).

Once you get past fixing the major stuff that the POs neglected/broke, you will have one of the more reliable older vehicles ever built (if you don't abuse the hell out of it).


In retrospect, if you buy ANY used vehicle, bring a mechanic with you or have a pre-arranged appointment to get it to a shop of your choosing (and of course make surew they're reputable).

I'd not be so smitten with my HJ60 if the motor was toast or if the frame was rotten. Luckily, my problems are all top-down rust and transmission-related, but not totally cost-prohibitive to deal with.
 
At the risk of Piling on $7500 USD?? holy cow that seems awfully steep.
What would prevent a guy from just driving the rig across the border? I live about an hour and a half from the BC border. I could easily have my Canadian wife drive it to as not to raise suspicions. just wondering what is involved with the registration in Wa and if some sort of Import tarrif or paperwork is required.
 
At the risk of Piling on $7500 USD?? holy cow that seems awfully steep.
What would prevent a guy from just driving the rig across the border? I live about an hour and a half from the BC border. I could easily have my Canadian wife drive it to as not to raise suspicions. just wondering what is involved with the registration in Wa and if some sort of Import tarrif or paperwork is required.

There are a lot of good threads in the Diesel FAQ about importing - here are a few experiences:

http://inertialabs.com/Diesel-Import-CAN.htm

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=10164
 

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