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Martinez Canyon closure imminent?

Discussion in 'AZ- Copper State Cruisers' started by -Spike-, Aug 22, 2006.

  1. -Spike-

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    This is an " E " mail from Sandy McCullen ASA4WDC Association stating the closure of Martinez Canyon..We need to help to mantain this great trail open at any cost..Here is the letter...


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    Fellow OHV recreationist........
    Below is a sample letter to the Tucson BLM Field Office regarding their intended closure of Martinez Canyon. It's IMPORTANT we deliver HUNDREDS of letters on their desks in the next couple of days. Francisco's agenda has been to close this canyon for several years so this has finally given him the ability to do so.

    An EMERGENCY CLOSURE does not require public scoping.

    PLEASE use this letter or write your own and delete parts that don't apply to you, but if we want to keep Martinez Canyon open to our use we need to take the bull by the horns and send your letter NOW. Don't let "the other guy do it". YOUR letter will count! BE PRECISE BUT PLEASE BE POLITE.

    Please do not just "forward"............ Send as an independent letter. Cut and paste into another email but don't show "where you received the sample" or "who forwarded the information to you" etc.

    We CAN make a difference. Please forward this to everyone you know…….

    Sandee

    Francisco_Mendoza@blm.gov Tucson Planner
    Patrick_Madigan@blm.gov Tucson Field Manager
    Bill_Gibson@blm.gov State OHV Coordinator
    Julie_Decker@blm.gov State Resources Coordinator
    Mike_Taylor@blm.gov State Resources Deputy Director
    Bill_Civish@blm.gov Tucson District Manager
    Anna_Atkinson@blm.gov D.C. OHV Coordinator



    August _____, 2006



    Bureau of Land Management
    Tucson Field Office
    12661 E. Broadway
    Tucson, AZ 85748-7208

    ATTENTION: Mr. Patrick Madigan, Field Manager

    Dear Mr. Madigan,

    I am a member of __________________________ (AZOHVC; club; group etc) representing _______________ (number of members.. AZOHVC is now over 11,000.)

    I have been recreating, hunting, camping and enjoying our backcountry for ______ years and the Martinez Canyon area is important to me and my family in both recreation opportunities and history of our state.

    I am writing this in response to a recent notice involving Martinez Canyon. I was dismayed to hear of the damage done to the Cabins but was equally dismayed to hear BLM is strongly considering an “emergency closure” as a result.

    “Emergency Closures” tend to become permanent. I am requesting some mitigation steps be considered before closure.

    The BLM Volunteer “Red Shirts” have offered numerous solutions in the past and I would hope these steps be considered again. 5-6 Years ago BLM was offered the services, at no cost to BLM, of a structural engineer to evaluate the stabilization of the cabin and the OHV community offered to supply the workers and materials to do what was needed. It was also felt that interpretative signs telling the history of the canyon would bring “responsibility and ownership” from the users. None of this was ever accepted by BLM. We are now in a situation that OHV are paying the penalty for damage by other than OHV. Because of the intimation of the OHV being to blame for the destruction certainly doesn’t lend itself to partnerships between BLM and the OHV community. This area has been a local party spot (RAVE parties and drugs) for several years. The defacing of the historical cabin was not done by OHV. The bold writing on every wall in the cabin was done by an environmental “BLM Volunteer”. Your office staff know of this incident………… has he been banned?

    The “BLM Red Shirt Volunteers” are those that do clean-ups; install kiosks and signs; obtain and offer these materials to BLM at no cost; we offer to Adopt trails and help with monitoring and maintenance; many of our OHV folks are now Site Stewards……… we do this and still are the only recreationists denied access to a beautiful canyon because of our choice of transportation or recreation?

    I believe gating and permits for access to this canyon was recommended some time ago. I’m assuming if this canyon is closed to motorized use it will be gated at the entrance. Why could this not be a gate allowing for permitted access only. This would give BLM knowledge of who and when there is access to the canyon; it would turn the party crowd away and allow time to join together and evaluate the cabins and hopefully do stabilization work and put together a “history story” of the area. Closing access to OHV is certainly not a way to build collaborative partnerships nor trust between BLM and the OHV Community.

    It is respectfully requested BLM meet with the OHV Community leaders to discuss reaching an acceptable approach to this problem before decision of closure is made.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    *Name
    *Address
    Phone
    Email

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    I don't have any information on the closure, this was posted on www.nissan4wheelers.com and I assume is making it's way through the 4 wheeling community as it was posted there by a Jeep owner (Alacran, or Dennis, if you know him- good guy).

    -Spike
     
  2. RHINO

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    i have been paying attention to martinez since the big vandalizeation a while back, i hate to be pessimistick, but it does seem like closure is looming for real no matter what any of us do.
    that doesnt mean i am rolling over to let it happen, but, since the cabins were destroyed by idiots i'm sure the mill is big on the thoughts of the FS and trying to preserve that to some degree would almost require a closure or posting of a full time security guard.:rolleyes:
    we are under siege from idiots and vandals and folks who just have no respect. i know its nothing new, but awarenes is bigger than ever these days and folks should no better.
     
  3. MaddBaggins

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    Thanks spike, I sent a letter off.
    Quit being a party pooper Rhino:flipoff2:
     
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    hey man,, i'm just sayin,,,,,
     
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    Howdy! So, why don't some industrious 4wheelers go up there and rebuild it. Probably some federal and state funds available if you knew where to look. I know some other areas have seen clubs go in and do this kind of thing. Maybe ASA4WDC, or Blue Ribbon Coalition could shed some light on the process. John
     
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    Well, this has been looming for a long time now. And as unpopular as my opinion might be, I think that it's a warranted closure. There are simply more idiots and assholes out on our trails doing more damage than we can counteract. When someone gets a wild hair up their ass that an area needs to be closed, all it takes is one ignorant ass to make it happen for all of us. Blast away if you please but it was only a matter of time before it happened and there ain't a damned thing we can do about it.
     
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    they do this in Death Valley, CA "adopt a cabin" rebuid cabins and let folks stay in there I have seen the cabins and they are simple and functional -
     
  8. MaddBaggins

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    Well, I've seen assholes and idiots or sign of them on every trail I have ever been on. Should we close down all offroading then?
     
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    fraid so :crybaby:
     
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    posted by "Hackle" on VJC(Virtual Jeep Club):
    Don't ever let someone tell you that your time sending a letter is wasted!

    Sandee just called me after leaving a meeting at Tucson BLM. Per Patrick Martinez Canyon will not be closed to OHV use. We will need volunteers in the near future to help stabilize the Cabins and fence them off. We will also set up a kiosk of sorts to show the history of the area. Bottom line is the trail will stay open.
    Good work to everyone that got invovled and sent letters.
    Jim F.
     
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    Not the point I was trying to make. But thanks.
     
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    I would be happy to put in time on Martinez construction, repair, cleanup, etc. anyone with me? BMAN, John and I had a talk with Patrick at one of the meetings and he seams to tell it like it is. Do you want me to contact him or would someone else prefer to do it? I say we toss our hat into the volunteer ring and see what we can do to improve the situation.
     
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    Kevin,

    Feel free to contact him directly. If we can get in on it I think it's mandatory for us to help out.

    Good to see that the decision for now is to keep it open, but can't help but think that it'll be lost to us before we know it regardless.
     
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    I'd be willing, and able depending on scheduling.

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    end of Sept is open... should we switch venues?
     
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    I vote yes, Martinez is a unique area and I am willing to do whatever is needed if it may help with future visitation rights.:cheers:

    I will contact Patrick to see how we can help.
     
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    martinez is in my back yard and I'm willing to put in some hard work to keep it open. I think that if BLM does close Martinez it will just be the opening they need to start closing alot of other trails in that area.
     
  19. MaddBaggins

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    I would like to help also. I think I can make end of September if it's as close to home as Martinez. More than likely I would have Zoe in tow, if there is no one to watch her or for her to play with, maybe her and I will wander around and do trash duty.
     
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    Me and my two helpers might be game also depending on the actual dates.

    Ross
     
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