All batteries, sealed or unsealed, are failure points vs ICE. You may argue that it will take many years for a battery to fail, but the probability is still relatively higher. Also, like the scam that is Tesla, when they do catch fire it's game over.
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I disagree that they have more failure points than ICE. They are fundamentally simpler. I have many years-old lithium power tool batteries that are beat to crap....dropped....frozen....cooked....and still work just fine. In comparison, my various ICE vehicles and other small engines have needed gaskets/seals, idler bearings, sensors, oil changes, etc. If my M18 drill was powered by let's say a model airplane engine instead of a 5 amp-hour lithium ion battery, it would have doubtlessly been less reliable.
I totally agree on the fire and overall hazard potential of lithium batteries, however, and I'm glad our hybrid has a NIMH battery instead. Lithium is highly reactive and emits dangerous fumes when it burns and it can't easily be put out, in addition to exposing first responders to the toxic chemicals. It's one of the dark sides of EVs that folks like to forget about.
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The batteries are covered for 8 years i believe like most hybrid batteries, so the first owner, and likely the second or third wont have any issues to worry about.
After the battery warranty is up, you are on your own. if you plan to keep it 25 years plus, I am going to say plan on replacing said battery at that age, not cause hybrid battery is big bad tech, but a 25 year old truck needs proper maintenance just like anything else.
Will their be battery degradation? Yes, even ice engines loose some of the ponies they left the factory with?
Will it depend on user habits? Yes. If you dont drive a hybrid, you are probably going to be doing it no favors.
Will it be expensive? Depends on your idea of expensive on a vehicle that retails in the six figures.
After the battery warranty is up, you are on your own. if you plan to keep it 25 years plus, I am going to say plan on replacing said battery at that age, not cause hybrid battery is big bad tech, but a 25 year old truck needs proper maintenance just like anything else.
Will their be battery degradation? Yes, even ice engines loose some of the ponies they left the factory with?
Will it depend on user habits? Yes. If you dont drive a hybrid, you are probably going to be doing it no favors.
Will it be expensive? Depends on your idea of expensive on a vehicle that retails in the six figures.
Unrelated to Toyota, but my wife's previous car was a PHEV. The battery went out at 7 years and about 65K miles. The car became a brick when the battery failed.
This was a low-volume vehicle of Germanic origin.
Back in 2022, it took 7 months to source a replacement battery (9.4kWh), and the cost for the the battery alone was in excess of $20K. Total cost to the manufacturer, including loaner vehicle and other reimbursment, far exceeded the value of the vehicle. They should have scrapped it, but corporations do dumb things some times.
Complexity has its cost.
This was a low-volume vehicle of Germanic origin.
Back in 2022, it took 7 months to source a replacement battery (9.4kWh), and the cost for the the battery alone was in excess of $20K. Total cost to the manufacturer, including loaner vehicle and other reimbursment, far exceeded the value of the vehicle. They should have scrapped it, but corporations do dumb things some times.
Complexity has its cost.
Hybrid = ICE + Bunch extra electrical components and sensors and systems
How can one argue that ICE has potential issues and that hybrid is better? Blows my mind the logic of some folk around.
How can one argue that ICE has potential issues and that hybrid is better? Blows my mind the logic of some folk around.
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Hiluxforever
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N+1 has entered the chat
Anyone have a solid launch date for dealers?
This thing is growing on me
This thing is growing on me
Q1 is my understanding.
Adding further, I understand production formally started yesterday, DEC9.
So the OT+ will be a hot minute before it hits the dealers.
I just left the dealer and drove the 600 with AHC again. It has the same flutter over bumps that I remember from before and more movement in the chassis when just cruising on a seemingly flat road. I drove a gx550 premium just before it and it definitely drove better. Some of this may be attributable to the 22” wheels on the LX, I’m hoping the OT with 18” wheels will be better (ride quality) than my 200. At this point neither of them are.
Didn’t the premium have 20+” wheels as well?
Not to mention electric motors will assist the ICE engine, putting less wear on the ICE which is much more expensive to fix than replacement some battery.
Hiluxforever
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They are installed in such a way that they add redundancy without creating a critical failure point. From a critical environment perspective it's a no brainer.
Running an ICE intermittent/start-stop or on light load does not seem good to get the parts warmed up and the oil.
Toyota has algorithms that account for that. Brings the necessary components to operating temperature. That energy isn't wasted either, it flows into the battery.
Yes it had 20” wheels and standard suspension. That combination definitely rode better. The other th8ng to note is that Toyota seems to ship all these vehicles with tires inflated to 50psi. Maybe to keep flat spots from form8ng dur8ng transport? Either way I have seen this multiple times and always take the air out prior to test drives.
It is biased to lower fuel consumption, not to minimize wear. If it is meant to do that it would need to led the ICE run under load for quite while until oil temps get real up. Our daughters Honda Accord Hybrid definitely does not do that, I am sure Toyota is trying to please EPA goals and MPG marketing as well.
