Mt brother sent me a link today off canadiangunnnutz.com reguarding a bunch of friends heading up to stave area for some skeet shooting. It was a good read. Since it said they were in a landcruiser, I was wondering if this is anyone on these forums. If not, still interesting and thought Id share.
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"So just had a "good time" with the local RCMP and a few of my friends for his stag party.
So my Friend is getting married and he wants to go skeet shooting for his stag, i say no problem and we and a few friends set a time and place to go. the appointed day rolls around and we load up my friends land cruiser with clay's, ammo and i grab the guns (a remington wingmaster and a ruger 10/22)and throw trigger locks on them and into the back they go, thinking nothing of it. we decide to go pick up some coffee at the local tims on the way up to the local "unoffical shooting range" (end of sylvester road for those who are in the area)
So we go through the drive through no problem and are on our merry way, when a police cruiser pulls in front of us and instructs us to not move. Not too long after another police car pulls up behind us, then another, we are all instructed to exit the vehicle read our rights placed in hand cuffs and tossed in the back of the cars (there are 5 of us guys total)
At this time im wanting to know why i am being arrested. The arresting officer informs me that i was under arrest for "transporting a restricted weapon". I inform her that none of the guns were restricted and they were being transported in accordance with the law she then changes her story and says "then your under arrest for transporting a firearm in an unsafe manner". i am then read my rights and asked if i wanted a lawyer. i told her that ill reserve that right until the investigation was complete as i believed this was all a big misunderstanding.
so after a short search of the vehicle and the RCMP looking like monkeys trying to figure out how to bust me for something i am asked for my FAC. I informed the officer that i didn't have a FAC as they had not existed for the past ten years, I then informed her i had a RPAL if she would like to see that, she tell me no and goes and talks to the other officers. By this time a fourth officer arrives, i assume this is the staff Sargent or something of the like, the sgt. talks with the other officer for a short time and then one of the male officers comes over and asks me to get out of the car, i comply and am then searched and told that i "was really foolish to have the guns in plain sight for everyone to see, and that this could of been all prevented if i put the guns under a blanket or in a case, heck even a guitar case". I was absolutely stunned that the officer would tell me to conceal a firearm.
After the officer was done telling me how i was at fault, i had to tell him which of my ID was the RPAL as he didn't know despite "mission having lots of guns and this having happened before". I was placed back into the back of the cruiser to wait and i got to observe yet another little meeting between the four officers. At the end of the meeting the arresting female officer returns and removes my cuffs letting me know that i was being released "because technically the fire arms were being transported legally", I informed her that I had stated this at the being and if she had looked at the guns herself she would have seen that they were being transported legally. The officer then goes on to tell me that i was "waving them around and pointing them at people" and that "there are tones of gangs and shootings that happen every day" and that i had "violated peoples rights and threatened peoples safely by having my firearms in plain view". I had had enough crap at that point and informed her that the law does not protect peoples feelings, and that it did protect me from unlawful search, and unlawful confinement were violated on a knee jerk reaction to the word "gun", and that it was not my problem that people felt scared by people following the law.
One would think it was over at this time, not so much. after the sgt. had left the three officer told me once again that i was being let go on a technicality as i was the "FAC holder" and that they could of pulled us out of the vehicle by a taser, then they went on to tell me that i should of concealed them in a "case that doesn't look like it was a gun".
I was absolutely shocked at the RCMPs lack of knowledge of the laws that they are sworn to uphold. Also by there quest to find a piece of identification that hasn't existed for ten years, nor there ability to identify its replacement. Also there assumption that i was a "gangster" and placing me under arrest without warrant or cause. it would of been one thing to ask us to step out the vehicle to ask us some questions.
but all was not lost, we did get a good story for the stag. and I now know that innocent until proven guilty means arrested and treated as a criminal until we cant prove that you could be one.
p.s. i was told that this arrest would be on my record, will this affect me crossing the boarder or applying for gov't jobs such as cbsa?"
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"So just had a "good time" with the local RCMP and a few of my friends for his stag party.
So my Friend is getting married and he wants to go skeet shooting for his stag, i say no problem and we and a few friends set a time and place to go. the appointed day rolls around and we load up my friends land cruiser with clay's, ammo and i grab the guns (a remington wingmaster and a ruger 10/22)and throw trigger locks on them and into the back they go, thinking nothing of it. we decide to go pick up some coffee at the local tims on the way up to the local "unoffical shooting range" (end of sylvester road for those who are in the area)
So we go through the drive through no problem and are on our merry way, when a police cruiser pulls in front of us and instructs us to not move. Not too long after another police car pulls up behind us, then another, we are all instructed to exit the vehicle read our rights placed in hand cuffs and tossed in the back of the cars (there are 5 of us guys total)
At this time im wanting to know why i am being arrested. The arresting officer informs me that i was under arrest for "transporting a restricted weapon". I inform her that none of the guns were restricted and they were being transported in accordance with the law she then changes her story and says "then your under arrest for transporting a firearm in an unsafe manner". i am then read my rights and asked if i wanted a lawyer. i told her that ill reserve that right until the investigation was complete as i believed this was all a big misunderstanding.
so after a short search of the vehicle and the RCMP looking like monkeys trying to figure out how to bust me for something i am asked for my FAC. I informed the officer that i didn't have a FAC as they had not existed for the past ten years, I then informed her i had a RPAL if she would like to see that, she tell me no and goes and talks to the other officers. By this time a fourth officer arrives, i assume this is the staff Sargent or something of the like, the sgt. talks with the other officer for a short time and then one of the male officers comes over and asks me to get out of the car, i comply and am then searched and told that i "was really foolish to have the guns in plain sight for everyone to see, and that this could of been all prevented if i put the guns under a blanket or in a case, heck even a guitar case". I was absolutely stunned that the officer would tell me to conceal a firearm.
After the officer was done telling me how i was at fault, i had to tell him which of my ID was the RPAL as he didn't know despite "mission having lots of guns and this having happened before". I was placed back into the back of the cruiser to wait and i got to observe yet another little meeting between the four officers. At the end of the meeting the arresting female officer returns and removes my cuffs letting me know that i was being released "because technically the fire arms were being transported legally", I informed her that I had stated this at the being and if she had looked at the guns herself she would have seen that they were being transported legally. The officer then goes on to tell me that i was "waving them around and pointing them at people" and that "there are tones of gangs and shootings that happen every day" and that i had "violated peoples rights and threatened peoples safely by having my firearms in plain view". I had had enough crap at that point and informed her that the law does not protect peoples feelings, and that it did protect me from unlawful search, and unlawful confinement were violated on a knee jerk reaction to the word "gun", and that it was not my problem that people felt scared by people following the law.
One would think it was over at this time, not so much. after the sgt. had left the three officer told me once again that i was being let go on a technicality as i was the "FAC holder" and that they could of pulled us out of the vehicle by a taser, then they went on to tell me that i should of concealed them in a "case that doesn't look like it was a gun".
I was absolutely shocked at the RCMPs lack of knowledge of the laws that they are sworn to uphold. Also by there quest to find a piece of identification that hasn't existed for ten years, nor there ability to identify its replacement. Also there assumption that i was a "gangster" and placing me under arrest without warrant or cause. it would of been one thing to ask us to step out the vehicle to ask us some questions.
but all was not lost, we did get a good story for the stag. and I now know that innocent until proven guilty means arrested and treated as a criminal until we cant prove that you could be one.
p.s. i was told that this arrest would be on my record, will this affect me crossing the boarder or applying for gov't jobs such as cbsa?"
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, but so what? Legal is legal.
