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I've always heard negative things about the local Toyota dealer here in my home town. Tons of examples of them telling unknowing owners that they need things serviced or replaced that really are not issues.

Took my truck in for one of it's complimentary services last week. Made the appointment at 5:00. Was there at 5:04. They pulled the truck around to the garage about 5:35. I sat and had my laptop so surfed mud, ect.. The guy comes out not too long after taking it back and said "we need to align your front end, Toyota requires it at this milage, it's not part of your complimentary service but we should do it". I said it only has 20,000 miles on the truck and its been all highway and i have not hit anything to cause it to get out of alignment, no thanks i'll pass. He then proceeds to tell me that my OEM tires are almost worn out. I actually agreed with him because they are, what a disappointment! He asks if we want to look at buying a new set, i said no.

He walks back and comes by about 30 minutes later and said it won't be too much longer. About 15 minutes later he said they are still working on it... I asked what's the deal, it's just an oil change and it's now 6:30! Then he comes back out and said that the tech broke my oil filter cap. He said the tech who serviced it last must of tightened it too much and it broke. I said i'm pretty sure there is a torque spec for it and does your tech not know how to service one of these trucks and beside it was purchased new here at this dealership and it's only been touched by your mechanics? He told me they were going to replace the cap and that's what we are waiting on. I asked if they had one in stock and he said no, they had to go pick it up. By 7:15 he finally comes out and said they are done and is about to bring it around.

So as i'm being handed my keys and asked to sign off on the service i asked for the box the cap came in. He hands me an Oreily auto parts plastic packaging and said they upgraded it to metal for me! I said WTF! I told him that i wanted OEM parts on my truck especially from the dealer who broke the part! I told him to order a new OEM cap and let me know when it was in and i will come back for them to replace it.

I then walk out to my truck and just glance down at the tires..... I turn and asked him if they rotated the tires? He said no, they are so worn we figured it wasn't worth it... I then opened up my service paper where it says tires were rotated and showed it to him. I said you had me sign off on the fact my tires were rotated and you did't do it. I said that's just terrible service and i want you to take the truck back, put it on the rack and rotate the damn tires.

Perhaps a call to Toyota Corp. is in order for this dealership. What a terrible ownership experience they are providing. I feel for any unsuspecting customer that has zero clue about automobiles. They would easily take advantage of people.
 
Can you divulge your location and/or the dealer?
 
High Point, NC... Vann York Auto
 
Part of the reason I avoid stealerships and do my own service! Sorry you had to go through that. If quality service is part of one's requirement, the Lexus dealerships tend to be better. I'm sure they wouldn't mind servicing a Land Cruiser.

To be fair, since your tires wore out in 20k miles...they weren't necessarily trying to gouge you with the alignment. Whether you do it with them or not, I'd recommend you do so. No point getting new tires and not addressing the root issue. This is not atypical for a new cars suspension to settle after manufacture, requiring an alignment.

Hope they treat you better next time around.
 
High Point, NC... Vann York Auto
Aha - ok - I'm in the North Charlotte area. These guys here have been pretty good - they just don't see Land Cruisers often....at all....
 
...they just don't see Land Cruisers often....at all....

My local dealer sells one a year - at most. Before picking up my '17 I can't remember seeing one parked on their lot for at least 3 years. And when they have had one it's always been prominently displayed on a round primary display pad out by the street.

I asked if they had the paper brochure (yes I like to keep them) and they said Toyota charges them for the brochures, couldn't justify ordering a set for the one truck they would sell in 2017.

I haven't had issues with them servicing the daughter's Camry, the Tacoma or the Prius, but have to admit I'm a bit apprehensive given I know of only one other LC they regularly service - and it's a 100 series.
 
At many dealerships, the employee changing your oil is not a mechanic. It's a "lube tech" which is dealership speak for cheapest labor they could find. They often hire a kid for min wage who runs around doing oil changes on whatever came into the dealer that day. It's unlikely he's even seen the underside of a LC before. He just got done w a Corola and now it's your turn. That explains the missing covers, missing bolts, over-tourqued drain plugs, re-used crush washers, wrong oil, missing o-ring seals on filter....need I go on. Most have little to no training as the dealership sees little risk in putting an unqualified newb on a simple task like an oil change. The guys changing your oil on your LC at the dealer do not look up torque specs for your filter cap or drain plug. Heck, they don't always check that they are putting in the correct spec oil. I would never trust my oil change to the dealer even if it's included in a service contract. My engine is too important and the $40-$50 it costs me to put in Mobil 1 and TRD filter is worth it and it gets done correctly. My high school son was offered a summer job as a lube tech at my local Toyota dealer. They said he needed no training. Luckily he'd have made a good lube tech as he'd spent 10 years working on cars w his dad but the dealer didn't know that when they offered him the job.
 
^^^^ This is too common for an $80k vehicle or any vehicle for that matter, common and sad and true.. Service writers and lube techs usually have little knowledge about vehicle maintenance procedures save for cliffs notes basics which will just get them by. Even some actual mechanics I've dealt with at dealerships are parts changers at best. DO NOT have your vehicle serviced by "the dealer" without plenty of investigation into who and what will be done to your truck. Hell, I would even insist on watching if the procedure is something you cannot or do not wish to perform on your own. Good luck and mane you can find an honest independent Toyota shop local who you can trust.
 
So, funny story:

I recently purchased a 2011 200 that only came with one key fob. I purchased a new one online and began the process of contacting Toyota dealerships to get a price to program it. First stealership, Mall of Georgia Toyota, wanted $250. They said they would have to re-flash the computer. I called BS to the service guy and he gave me more run around. Those guys are always crooked. It's an Autonation stealership. Called dealership number two, Atlanta Toyota, $120. Said it was a one hour job. Much better. Dealership number three, Nalley Toyota of Roswell, $60 - half hour job. BAM! I'm sold. Go over there at lunch one day. Very knowledgeable service writer, knew exactly what I needed done. They even cleared out the keys I didn't receive when I purchased the vehicle. And for their trouble, I bought a new battery from them. The service guy even had enough knowledge about LC's in general that I was very comfortable leaving it there; will be going back.

Not all dealers are bad, but there are some doozies out there.
 
You know what else is kind of frustrating and a little insulting about this local dealer... even though i know they are semi joking, every time i come in the sales guy comes over and starts pitching me to trade into a new one! I'm like dude, really?!

And, i think this tells a lot about this dealership; they have a bunch of signs on their registers that say "show all coupons immediately upon arrival or else the coupons will not be valid"... what does this really say to you? It says to me that if they know you have a coupon they are going to work extra hard to find extra things to fix or replace so that the coupon savings is negated.
 
So, funny story:

I recently purchased a 2011 200 that only came with one key fob. I purchased a new one online and began the process of contacting Toyota dealerships to get a price to program it. First stealership, Mall of Georgia Toyota, wanted $250. They said they would have to re-flash the computer. I called BS to the service guy and he gave me more run around. Those guys are always crooked. It's an Autonation stealership. Called dealership number two, Atlanta Toyota, $120. Said it was a one hour job. Much better. Dealership number three, Nalley Toyota of Roswell, $60 - half hour job. BAM! I'm sold. Go over there at lunch one day. Very knowledgeable service writer, knew exactly what I needed done. They even cleared out the keys I didn't receive when I purchased the vehicle. And for their trouble, I bought a new battery from them. The service guy even had enough knowledge about LC's in general that I was very comfortable leaving it there; will be going back.

Not all dealers are bad, but there are some doozies out there.

I used to buy some parts online from Nalley many moons ago. They always delivered quickly, correctly and at a good price.
 
It is really hit or miss kind of deal. Of course most dealership try to hose you every chance they got you just got to know your vehicle and have knowledge about cars these days. Even Lexus dealer service department gets funny at times. This happened to me at Westside Lexus in Houston. I brought my IS250 for radio/cd player malfunction for them to look at and they determined that it is broken and needs replacement which is under warranty. So they have to order the unit and waits for it to come in so I can bring my car in again. Radio was replaced and TPMS sensor light comes on when picked up, notified the service advisor right away before leaving. And they proceed to claim that my TPMS sensor was messed up by previous tire store when I brought in since the tires wasn't replace at Lexus dealer. I refused to do TPMS replacement work of course. Usually if any warning light is on, they will notify you right away once the vehicle is in and call you if you need work done on it but they did not and none were mention at the paperwork. I was in a hurry and left without arguing too much as I can have it replaced much cheaper at Discount tires.

The more I think of it the more things does not adds up, so I bring my IS to North Side Lexus complaining the TPMS light comes on. And they call me the next day telling me the problem is solved and my vehicle is ready for pick up. Turn out that the moron tech who replaced my radio did not plug in the harness into the TPMS module by the radio unit and proceed to put the blame on me. Go figure.:cool:
 
This is great, however you could probably replace the word "sketchy" with something like fraudulent or criminal. I just bought a silver 2013 LC last week to replace my Sequoia with which I'd had some really interesting experiences with at Van York.

Most recently, I'd ordered some rails for the rear window as one had become cracked. I'd planned on doing the repair myself as the previous 4 experiences with Van York made me swear off their service department. As the window worked perfectly, just made some noises over bumps, I wasn't necessarily in a hurry to do the work and it was about 8 months before I got by there (I know, that's a long time). They did however decide to return the parts to the distributor without notifying me they'd be doing so, and more importantly, decided not to refund the roughly $150 that they charged me for before ordering the parts to my credit card they'd used.

Previous to that, I'd had some other problems with the lift gate (I loved the Sequoia, but the lift gate handle/latch has some inherent design flaws). The rear handle had broke for the second time, so I just used the window for access. Well, one day the window quit going up and down which left me with no access, so I brought it by for them to fix the handle and look at the window issue. They did the work on the handle and came out telling me it'd be about $450 for a new window motor. So I went back there with the service manager to examine and the window worked perfectly. Apparently there's a TSB about smacking the motor with a hammer. The tech did it (don't know if he'd notified the service manager, but he was looking for the ok from me on the repair) and it was working perfectly and has for 3 years since. Had I not been on site to verify, I'm guessing they'd have gladly taken my $450.

I probably have 3-4 more Sequoia stories from Van York (some where I've decided to take it elsewhere based on nonsensical estimates and others where Van York is sending me a check for overcharging), but as I think back to my first car in the early 90's, I had an 84 Honda Prelude that I'd taken to Van York Honda for some simple service work, don't recall exactly what it was. But I had a friend drop my off to pick it up and they hand me the bill which included a new timing belt. I said, "what's this"? He responded, "oh, your timing belt looked pretty bad and it was time to do it so we went ahead and took care of it." I said, "I just had it replaced about 2 months ago." He crumbled up the bill without another word and handed me a new one with no timing belt charge.

I have friends in Raleigh who use the dealers there and say they're phenomenal. I think the problem with the local dealer is there's so much less volume coming through there, and there's little competition.

I've been taking the Sequoia to Cromer's, think it's on English. Really decent people running it, upfront and fair pricing, always packed.
 
So, funny story:

I recently purchased a 2011 200 that only came with one key fob. I purchased a new one online and began the process of contacting Toyota dealerships to get a price to program it. First stealership, Mall of Georgia Toyota, wanted $250. They said they would have to re-flash the computer. I called BS to the service guy and he gave me more run around. Those guys are always crooked. It's an Autonation stealership. Called dealership number two, Atlanta Toyota, $120. Said it was a one hour job. Much better. Dealership number three, Nalley Toyota of Roswell, $60 - half hour job. BAM! I'm sold. Go over there at lunch one day. Very knowledgeable service writer, knew exactly what I needed done. They even cleared out the keys I didn't receive when I purchased the vehicle. And for their trouble, I bought a new battery from them. The service guy even had enough knowledge about LC's in general that I was very comfortable leaving it there; will be going back.

Not all dealers are bad, but there are some doozies out there.

I feel the exact same way! I had all my complimentary service on my old 14' taco done at roswell toyota, they've always been great. That mall of GA dealer broke their socket tool off inside the spark plug tube on my old 3rd get 4runner and then wanted to charge me to fix it!!!! They are the worst around for sure. Hate is a strong word, but I hate that dealership.

Ive had good service at milton martin in Gainesville but that was before they moved to the new place. no experience from the new location.

Now with the LX i go to nalley Lexus ( i bought it there) and they're pretty good. they're slow but i like all the shop waiting room walls are glass so i can watch. They also like my truck, they don't see offroady trucks often i guess.
 
...... bill which included a new timing belt. I said, "what's this"? He responded, "oh, your timing belt looked pretty bad and it was time to do it so we went ahead and took care of it." I said, "I just had it replaced about 2 months ago." He crumbled up the bill without another word and handed me a new one with no timing belt charge.

Wow, thats just crazy. Id bet they didnt even do the timing belt, which is why they had no problem NOT charging you for it.
 
Terribly sorry to hear about you dealings. I have had that and worse experiences at BMW. Couldn't wait to get rid of the car.
Here in Scottsdale we have an amazing Lexus dealership. AMAZING. Great customer service. Never feel ripped off. Complimentary Lexus rental car. Usually the high end ones too!! We have a good Toyota dealership too but it is a farther drive for me. Conscience and customer service.
They are a big reason why I bought a lx570.
 
Oops that should say convenience and customer service.
Stupid spell check
 

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