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Hello to everyone. I hate to be one of those guys that makes his first post a specific tech problem. First I suppose an introduction is in order.

My name is Chris Sutton. I live in Golden, Colorado. I bought my first Toyota Landcruiser in January of this year. It is a silver and grey 96 with 180K miles. It is pretty loaded with everything except the lockers and tow package. I bought it as a daily driver and family hauler. It had decent maintenance records and has been running great. I just took it on its first road trip this weekend to Glenwood Springs. We hit pretty bad roads on the way back(snow and ice), it did well. I installed the CDL switch before the trip, but I did not need to use it to get home safely.

Anyway like I said I bought it as a daily driver, because my other truck is a modified 85 4Runner. I love my 4Runner, but the two doors just don't cut it when you have a family. Before that I was a Kia Sportage guy. We had two modified Sportages and I was the first moderator of the Kia forum over on 4x4wire. I have also owned an old scout, some jeeps and a chevy pickup. I have been banging around in the hills here in Colorado for a long time. It goes all the way back to when I was a little kid going up with my grandma in her scout to look at the wildflowers around Ouray.

So the reason I am posting is I wasn't having a lot of luck searching for an easy answer. Like I said the 80 has been running great with no problems. After the road trip it was having a slight stumble at idle. Yesterday I filled up with gas and added a container of Gumout fuel system cleaner hoping that would smooth things out. The trip also put me over 3K since the last oil change. When I got home I pulled it up onto the ramps in the driveway and changed the oil. When I was finished it would not start. I tried a few times with no luck. I pushed it down off of the ramps and still no luck. I went through the manuals and couldn't imagine any of the things wrong on the troubleshooting list while it was sitting on the ramp for 30 minutes.

It is turning over fine, but is not firing. I am thinking fuel, but I didn't want to tear into anything as it didn't die while running. Is there something wierd maybe about being a full tank of gas and then sitting at an angle. I was thinking the vent tubes on the gas tank, so I left the gas cap loose overnight, but it still wouldn't fire up this morning. After two or three tries you can smell fuel outside the truck, but I can't tell if it is up front or back at the tank. There isn't a fuel drip anywhere on the ground.

Please let me know if anyone has any ideas. Things like this always make me crazy because it happened when the truck was not running. Thank you for any help you can provide.

Chris Sutton
Golden, Colorado
 
Chris; welcome to MUD.

The first thing I would do is check the battery - yes, I know it starts.

Then I would check the fuse links off the + terminal of the battery. It is possible that one of the fuse links are bad (corroded, kinked, broken). One of these links supplies juice to the ignition system.

Check all fuses; see my fuse chart for help:

http://homepage.mac.com/dfmorse/FuseChart3.5.1/index.html

Look around the coil for loose wires; maybe some wires fell off or are damaged.

Pull the distributor cap and check for oil or damage.

Do a spark check from the coil high voltage to the block. The coil could be bad. The ignitor system could be bad. The high voltage lead to the distributor could be open circuit or very high resistance.

It is also possible that u have bad gas; this is rare but has happened to me. Of course, with bad gas the critter will start but run really bad.

Check the large air hose from the air filter to the throttle body for cracks.

Keep us posted.

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Look around the coil for loose wires; maybe some wires fell off or are damaged.

[ ... ] The high voltage lead to the distributor could be open circuit or very high resistance.

This would be my guess since it stopped running after you shut it off to do the oil change.

-B-
 
Thanks for the reply. I will give these a try tonight. You are right, the first thing I said was "Why check the battery, it is turning over?"

Chris Sutton
Golden, Colorado
 
Remind me to never change the oil in the dark again. It was the wierdest thing. The plug wire to the center of the distributor cap had corroded midway through the length on the bottom side almost like it had been touched to battery acid. I guess when I pulled the oil filter I must have separated it. The engine bay was so clean when I bought it, I totally missed it.

You were right it was electrical. I bought a set of plug wires and just replaced the one wire. It fired right up.

Thank you for the help.

Chris Sutton
Golden, Colorado
 

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