Interesting thoughts from Toyota regarding the 250 in this week’s Automotive News
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- Toyotas are very popular. Just look at their resale value compared to other manufacturers.
- Not sure where you've been, but most manufacturers have have largely bare lots with many of their models out of stock. This is just recently changing. We've been in the market for a pickup for some time. Until very recently anything other than high-options models have been out of stock and on wait lists.
I think you might want to look again. Ford and GM both have 100+ days of inventory across most of the lineup. Ram and Jeep are even more. Honda, Kia, and Toyota are the only ones left with really low supplies. That's why Toyota is losing market share so fast - everyone else is back to full lots, overfull in many cases. And not all Toyotas are selling really fast. The 4Runner as of August has 76 days of inventory on dealer lots. The models in shortest supply are Camry, Highlander, Sienna, Corolla, Rav4.
GM is currently offering 0% financing on trucks. It's easy to see why Toyota is losing a lot of sales when you can't even test drive a Toyota and you can get $10-15k off MSRP on a domestic truck.
Didn't say stock was not coming back.
The dealers near me have a sea of trucks on the lots. The GM dealer probably has 100+ full size trucks. Toyota and Honda not so much. I was stopped at the light next to the Acura dealer this last weekend. They had 5 cars total. Toyota is the same way. Almost no new cars, a few tacomas, tundras, and 4Rs, and a handful of oddball stuff. Might be a good time to buy a non-Toyota truck. If I had to buy a new truck today - I'd probably be buying a domestic.
Toyota is playing a new game with something they're calling TSRP instead of MSRP which is basically just adding an ADM to the price and hiding it in a price that looks like MSRP on the window sticker. It's a bull**** sales tactic that really needs to backfire.
There is a Really good reason why a multitude of people have put down a deposit on that vehicle.
And…. you know what it is, so does everyone else who owns a Toyota.
Gas mileage? I have been driving LCs for over half a century and the central virtues of these trucks for me are reliability and durability. Those two virtues are proven over time. Gas mileage is a concern, don’t get me wrong. Improved range means improved safety. I am keen, but after the reliability and durability mountain is climbed. If one is talking about gas mileage in terms of running costs, if a couple mpgs make such a big difference, then the prospective buyer is probably not in the financial position to buy a $80K car or truck anyway and they should look at a vehicle they can afford..
“Trust but verify” means plop down 80 Grand in year two, not year one. I think that’s all some of us are saying. I hope the Hybrid pans out because a Hybrid 2.8l diesel sounds like fun. If I can get over the FUGLY looks of the 250 I could be in. But I gave up believing in the tooth fairy long ago, so all the above will have to be proven.
I wonder if the LC250’s engine is identical to that of the Tacoma. I read somewhere that the LC300 has some different parts and design around turbo cooling and a few other things than the Tundra.
Perhaps this LC250 where it’s made in Japan vs Mexico has different suppliers and a different design?
Hopefully there won’t be any issues the first year. I haven’t heard of any with the LC300 but that might be because it’s not in the NA market.
Perhaps this LC250 where it’s made in Japan vs Mexico has different suppliers and a different design?
Hopefully there won’t be any issues the first year. I haven’t heard of any with the LC300 but that might be because it’s not in the NA market.
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Just look at how many 4Runners are on the road, bought per year and get terrible fuel economy.
I believe that’s why so many are planning a Order
The turbos are what makes that engine. It is really nice to have that much power at your disposal when you want it. If you drove the SR then you also drove the weakest of the lineup. De-tuned to 348 hp. My SR5 goes to 389 and the hybrid cracks 409.
Toyota is guiding people who want the big engine in the LC right into a higher margin Lexus, and they will charge accordingly. This is good for business and also gives the consumer options, both good things.
Honest question: options for a 26 mpg truck with similar capabilities as the promised LC250?
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Which set it capability are you wanting? There's not many vehicles that sit half way between the CUV and Wrangler like the LC does. Probably none with as good off-road potential and better mpg.Honest question: options for a 26 mpg truck with similar capabilities as the promised LC250?
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Closest I can think of - diesel Tahoe, diesel Wrangler, 4xe wrangler, Grand Cherokee 4xe. Grand Highlander hybrid max, 2024 Tacoma hybrid, outback(?), ???
I would love to see better mileage than what I get with my 200. And Prius hybrids have been proven reliable, so hopefully the LC250 will be as well. My need for towing means the GX550 is probably a better fit for my uses if I ever get rid of my 200.
It’s a minor point, but I’ve noticed that you believe higher gas prices are the future. Not sure why? We aren’t running out of oil, in fact supply could be increased significantly if fracking was accepted in more areas. And if the US and Europe ever embrace EV in a huge way, demand for oil (and therefore price) would drop. Oil prices will go up with inflation but I don’t see a reason that gas prices will rise in after-inflation dollars, unless a gas tax or carbon tax were enacted. The latter would actually make a difference in emissions, but it seems unlikely to be politically feasible.
Not sure… Yet what would give you an idea that Fuel prices would remain the same or decrease.
Decade after decade… they have risen.
That will continue
Price will certainly rise with inflation I imagine, and incomes certainly don’t always rise with inflation (especially the last few years). But I found this chart interesting:
Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator
Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.
www.usinflationcalculator.com
Very interesting chart. Thank you.Price will certainly rise with inflation I imagine, and incomes certainly don’t always rise with inflation (especially the last few years). But I found this chart interesting:
Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator
Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.
I guess to complement that chart , we would need to add increase in salaries. I know it would have many variables, but at least we could have an idea the real "cost" of gas.
I do think oil prices will keep on the overall rise, and hence gasoline in the USA ... These both seem to go hand on hand, unfortunately.
Agreed. And I am also wondering, which of these vehicles has or could have a 10 to $15k of the MRSP.... My guess without searching, maybe one or two, if any.