Installing Trail Tailor Sliders on a 2017 LC

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LBridges

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All this may not be necessary, but it’s what I did – others can correct or offer easier alternatives I just didn’t think about. Caveat, I didn’t take pics and I’m writing this up after the fact. If you start doing this and it seems like my instructions seem to be missing a step – they probably are.

Prep work:

1. Using a 12mm socket and ratchet, remove the six bolts on each side holding the OEM steps to the body (12 bolts total). There's a locating tab on the center bracket and you have to move the step around a little - don't just try to yank it off. Set steps aside, and while doing so marvel at the lightness (and thus how little they could do to protect the rockers).

2. There is some prep work I found necessary to be done before trying to fit up the sliders. First, I put the sliders on two floor jacks and raised them into approximate position. This allowed me to see several plastic plugs on the frame I had to pop off. It also allowed me to see which existing frame holes would be tapped and used to mount the center support bracket.

3. On the passenger side remove the three 12mm bolts holding the gas tack skid plate in place. Don’t need to pull it off, just get it loose.

4. On the driver’s side there is a bolt that holds two hydraulic lines to the frame at the front end of where the sliders go. You first need to bend the bracket out enough that the slider mounting plate can fit under it (~3/8”). Then you need to remove the bolt holding that bracket to the frame so you can pull the lines out enough to get the 6” long front mount bolt in without doing damage to the lines (it gives the lines enough flex to move around as you place the bolt in position). This is easily the most frustrating thing because the factory must have done this without the body in place. I used a 12mm ratcheting box end and after going half-crazy got the bolt out (getting it back in at the end will finish off the other half of the crazy part).

5. Tap the holes in the side of the frame for the middle mount. There was no way the tap Jason provided was going to work in the holes of my 2017 LC, so off to the hardware store to purchase the correct drill size to support a 12M 1.25 tap (27/64” IIRC). Probably time to mention that drilling into a frame is hard work, so make it a "bit" easier (pun intended) and use some cutting oil. Probably not the best, but I just use some chain oil I keep around for my chain saw.

Install the sliders:

6. Using the jacks again, I maneuvered the sliders into position. Looking through the middle mount bracket holes and locating the tapped holes in their centers will give you a good fore/aft placement.

7. I went to the rear mount and got the bolt and backing plate started then went to the front and did the same.

8. I tightened down the front, then went to the rear and tightened that bolt down too.

9. On each side, I inserted the bolts through the middle mounts and tightened them down.

10. Now I used the jacks to raise one side of the vehicle and placed jack stands such that I would have space to get under there with my trusty 0-850 RPM ½” drill and using the two-step process (first ¼” drill, then 5/16” drill) drilled out the six bottom mount holes on one side. I inserted the 6 bolts and torqued them all to about 30 ft-lbs, then went back and brought them all to between 35 – 40 ft lbs. (note: I couldn’t get my torque wrench into the other spaces so I just “winged” the proper torque for all the other nuts & bolts - I've been working on cars & trucks for about 50 years so my arms & hands have some sense of tightness).

11. Repeat step 5 on the other side.

12. Reinstall the three bolts that hold on the gas tank skid.

13. Reinstall the bolt that holds the hydraulic lines – this will complete the going crazy part as mentioned in part 4 above.

14. Jack vehicle back up, remove stands, lower vehicle, stand back and admire your work. Marvel at how much better they are as actual steps, not to mention the whole rock slider thing (and my wife offered to pay for them to help prevent parking lot dings – life doesn’t get a lot better than that).

15. Drink beverage(s) of your choice and/or go drive your truck.
 
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Pretty sure Jason is making an official install PDF. I sent him a bunch of pics already.

#4: Once you get that bracket off it's much easier. I used a pry bar to clearance the lines to get the bolt in. It was wasn't a huge deal though.

#5: I totally forgot to mention this to Jason. But yeah, the tap didn't work for me either. I needed more of a taper tap. A quick trip to Fastenal and it was all good.

#10: My cheap $60 Black and Decker 7AMP drill made quick work of the bottom holes without drilling pilot holes. If you have a semi-decent cordless impact those self-tappers are super easy to get in. I used my trusty Milsucky 1/2" M18 FUEL cordless impact on the low setting. That M18 has saved me DAYS of work. I suggest anyone who is a shadetree mechanic to buy one. Easily the 2nd favorite tool I own next to a big ass hammer.

#3/#12: I didn't need to remove or loosen the gas tank skid on my '13. It would have been slightly easier but I got it done without it. Maybe the '16+ are a bit different though.
 
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Can't go back and create the install pics, but a thread about product without pics is like...

So here's one showing the passenger side step slider installed.

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Nice job. I was the test dummy for the sliders. I made a few fork type shims to bring the two metal lines off the frame.
After that was behind me it was all good.
Enjoy.
 
Thanks Lee, @TonyP @SQRRRL for the notes and pics for all of you.

Yes, I'm working on an install PDF that Tony and myself took pictures of. The 200 sliders are much more difficult to install than any other slider I make. These notes will help as well.

I have a wishbone bracket spacer at the laser cutter now, but still a few weeks away.

I'll need to address the tap problem. I use those all the time on 80s and Rovers without issue. But if people are having trouble I'll change the tap style from a tapered to a spiral flute.

I like hearing the feedback. I make changes as people make comments (especially if its more than once)


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#3/#12: I didn't need to remove or loosen the gas tank skid on my '13. It would have been slightly easier but I got it done without it. Maybe the '16+ are a bit different though.

The backing plate would have fit in there without loosening the skid, but I couldn't see to match it up with the bolt coming through the frame. While I could have fiddled around with it, it seemed easier to just pull the 3 12mm bolts and then I had lots of space to work.
 
Thanks Lee, @TonyP @SQRRRL for the notes and pics for all of you.

Yes, I'm working on an install PDF that Tony and myself took pictures of. The 200 sliders are much more difficult to install than any other slider I make. These notes will help as well.

I have a wishbone bracket spacer at the laser cutter now, but still a few weeks away.

I'll need to address the tap problem. I use those all the time on 80s and Rovers without issue. But if people are having trouble I'll change the tap style from a tapered to a spiral flute.

I like hearing the feedback. I make changes as people make comments (especially if its more than once)


J
Did my rough wishbone gizmo help? Hope so.
 
What did you guys use @LBridges @TonyP to drill and tap the side mount holes? I was able to barely get the bottom holes drilled and tapped last night after trying multiple combinations drills, bits and tap tools. I damaged the bottom lip on the rocker on pass side burned the plastic trying to keep the drill straight but the bottom hole is at a slight angle. I have 3 different tap and die sets but none of those tap tools will fit in the space allowed to get to the top hole. Also my 90 degree air drill will not fit in the space allowed to get to the top hole I am planning to run to harbor freight to purchase a close quarters drill and cut the bit in half if needed to drill the top hole. Next I need to locate a tool that will fit to run the tap through.

3/8 in. Close Quarters Drill with Keyless Chuck

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What did you guys use @LBridges @TonyP to drill and tap the center mount holes? I was able to barely get the bottom holes drilled and tapped last night after trying multiple combinations drills, bits and tap tools. I damaged the bottom lip on the rocker on pass side burned the plastic trying to keep the drill straight but the bottom hole is at a slight angle. I have 3 different tap and die sets but none of those tap tools will fit in the space allowed to get to the top hole. Also my 90 degree air drill will not fit in the space allowed to get to the top hole I am planning to run to harbor freight to purchase a close quarters drill and cut the bit in half if needed to drill the top hole. Next I need to locate a tool that will fit to run the tap through.

3/8 in. Close Quarters Drill with Keyless Chuck

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I used an old school corded, semi-cheap, Black and Decker drill with the side handle. It blasted through the frame in about 20 seconds. You don't need to tap the bottom. The self tapping bolts take care of that.. For the side I put the tap in a socket that fit the end of the tap, put that in a wrench and tapped it. Making sure it was straight.

I just woke up and don't have caffeine in me yet so hopefully that makes sense.
 
I used an old school corded, semi-cheap, Black and Decker drill with the side handle. It blasted through the frame in about 20 seconds. You don't need to tap the bottom. The self tapping bolts take care of that.. For the side I put the tap in a socket that fit the end of the tap, put that in a wrench and tapped it. Making sure it was straight.

I just woke up and don't have caffeine in me yet so hopefully that makes sense.

I certainly understand the need for caffeine and appreciate the feedback. I think I can tear through the bottom holes I was just fighting to drill and tap the middle mount holes in the side of the frame with the space restrictions, I wasn't able to run the tap through without drilling it first.
 
I certainly understand the need for caffeine and appreciate the feedback. I think I can tear through the bottom holes I was just fighting to drill and tap the middle mount holes in the side of the frame with the space restrictions, I wasn't able to run the tap through without drilling it first.

OK, the caffeine is flowing now and I see the pics. Yeah just pull the shank out of the tap, find a socket that'll fit over the end and use the wrench on that. That'll eliminate the long extension. So it'll be tap -> socket -> wrench. Worked like a charm. Just make sure to keep the tap as straight as possible. It's not an ideal setup, but it works.

For drilling the side, I can't remember what I did. I think I went to the Fastenal and bought a different tap, with a more tapered profile. So it'll grab the threads deeper in the hole. It went in with ease. No side drilling that way. Just make sure to go slow and back out the tap to break the chip. Snapping a tap in a hole will ruin your life.
 
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OK, the caffeine is flowing now and I see the pics. Yeah just pull the shank out of the tap, find a socket that'll fit over the end and use the wrench on that. That'll eliminate the long extension. So it'll be tap -> socket -> wrench. Worked like a charm. Just make sure to keep the tap as straight as possible. It's not an ideal setup, but it works.

For drilling the side, I can't remember what I did. I think I went to the Fastenal and bought a different tap, with a more tapered profile. So it'll grab the threads deeper in the hole. It went in with ease. No side drilling that way. Just make sure to go slow and back out the tap to break the chip. Snapping a tap in a hole will ruin your life.

I read this thread twice and saw it mentioned but it didn't click to run to Fastenal for a tapered tap that would be the answer to the drilling issues. I'll go that route, thanks for the help and clarity @TonyP :cheers:
 
.... So it'll be tap -> socket -> wrench. Worked like a charm. Just make sure to keep the tap as straight as possible. It's not an ideal setup, but it works.

For drilling the side, I can't remember what I did. ....

Bit late to the party, sorry about that.

I have a tap handle tool that has a ratcheting mechanism, effectively the same thing @TonyP mentions above.

Ditto for any drilling problems - I don't remember any drama other than what I mentioned in the original post.
 

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