I need a 4bd1t in my 96 fj80! Where should I go to get it done?

[subspd]

I have put it off long enough and after reading some of the great threads in here I would like to get this done. Unfortunately I do not have the tools, time or welding equipment to do it myself.

Any suggestions on who could do this swap right? ie AC, Cruise, auto, etc...

 

[Wheelingnoob]

I have put it off long enough and after reading some of the great threads in here I would like to get this done. Unfortunately I do not have the tools, time or welding equipment to do it myself.

Any suggestions on who could do this swap right? ie AC, Cruise, auto, etc...

Well I do not know of anyone doing the swaps that you can drive in drive out. On a swap like this I would honestly get the tools, the time and teach yourself to weld (very little welding needed). On the welding you couple probably get a mobile welder to come and spend an hour welding for you if you really cant.

I think doing it your self is a critical component in the process as you then know everything about it inside and out. From what belt part number you used for you custom bracket to the sensor used for oil pressure. This knowledge is critical if you are on the road and something happens. Tools are a good thing to have regardless.

On the 96 and the 4BD1t there is no known path the getting the A/C and cruise to work. I do not know of anyone that has done it yet. I plan to get both of them working on mine when I get to that point but its going to take a lot of time.

To pay someone to do the amount of work of swap that this in tales you would be spending a lot of money.

I think the best thing to do is sit back and let a few 80 series 4BD1T's get on the road so there is some general knowledge out there for that swap.

 

[subspd]

Wheelingnoob: Thanks for the comments. Your thread has been my inspiration! I understand what your saying and I used to be a DIY'er in the garage but work just doesn't give me the time. I am on move 7 days a week now and just can't take the time to work on it myself. That said I would deff want to know exactly how everything was done and will make sure to understand how it was done in case I need to make a repair on the road. I wish I could do it the way you are doing it!

So no one has gotten AC and cruise working? How do they do it with the 4bt swaps? Custom brackets?

 

[Wheelingnoob]

Wheelingnoob: Thanks for the comments. Your thread has been my inspiration! I understand what your saying and I used to be a DIY'er in the garage but work just doesn't give me the time. I am on move 7 days a week now and just can't take the time to work on it myself. That said I would deff want to know exactly how everything was done and will make sure to understand how it was done in case I need to make a repair on the road. I wish I could do it the way you are doing it!

So no one has gotten AC and cruise working? How do they do it with the 4bt swaps? Custom brackets?

Glad my thread has inspired you.

On the A/C the hard part is not the mechanical adaptation between the two its the electrical. I have never asked anyone with a 4BT swapped 80 series if they have A/C or Cruise working on there trucks. Most the swaps I have seen completed have been on the 91-92 FJ80 and those are much easier to get those things working on. The 95+ starts getting more complicated, the Cruise will need a TPS hooked up to the throttle linkage at minimum beyond that I have not been able to sort it out. The A/C I think just needs a tach signal from the ECU, I'm hoping that I can use an output from Dakota digital tach adapter for that.

I have just started digging into this side of it recently so nothing is known for sure yet.

 

[Polar Bear]

What are your plans for modifying the valve body in the transmission? Have you approached that issue yet?

I've been enjoying your thread and will be collecting most of my parts required for this swap over this winter.

Come spring, I'll hopefully be taking her off the road and be completed by the time the snow flies again in October.

 

[Wheelingnoob]

What are your plans for modifying the valve body in the transmission? Have you approached that issue yet?

I've been enjoying your thread and will be collecting most of my parts required for this swap over this winter.

Come spring, I'll hopefully be taking her off the road and be completed by the time the snow flies again in October.

Yea the VB is getting worked on now. Basically a extreme valve body. Will have more info on it once I get to that point. Other than that its going to be a stock A440f with a stalled down rebuilt converter and 190k miles. My other A440 I plan to do a HD rebuild on adding in all the bits that I can to make it as bullet proof as possible. May even play around with bits from the later AW450 to see if they will work in it.

I hope you enjoy the thread as it continues, things are going to start ramping up soon.

The parts collecting stage has been a lot of fun unfortunately I'm a bit of a freak with things like this so its cost me a bit more money than planned I think. I have all the receipts just not going to add it up till its back on the road so i do not get demotivated if its over budget. Its defiantly not been a budget swap, every part from the transmission forward will be new or rebuilt when done.

 

[Polar Bear]

You have been nothing if not exceptionally thorough on this rebuild. That motor should run a half million miles before needing anything, given the amount of attention you've paid to it!

 

[Wheelingnoob]

You have been nothing if not exceptionally thorough on this rebuild. That motor should run a half million miles before needing anything, given the amount of attention you've paid to it!

Thanks, I hope it lasts the life of this LX and what ever I swap it into next (LC or LX). Im the kind of person that if I know I skimped or said "ah its good enough" it will drive me nuts in the future.

"Do it once, do it right"

 

[bugsnbikes]

I have put it off long enough and after reading some of the great threads in here I would like to get this done. Unfortunately I do not have the tools, time or welding equipment to do it myself.

Any suggestions on who could do this swap right? ie AC, Cruise, auto, etc...

While I love the 4bd1t- given your need to find someone to do it---it makes much more sense and will end up being a ton easier to simply go the 1hdt-swap with someone like torfab or proffitts who have done umpteen of these-known the ins and outs of the swap-and will result in an ultra reliable conversion..............having someone undertake this and you being the guinea pig for "ironing on the bugs" of a relatively unknown swap will leave you stuck and in a potential back and forth rig downtime vs something g proven to work from the get go.

The incremental cost difference will have you wishing you threw the extra 10$k up front at a proven swap vs having your rig down for months and throwing the same money in the end.

 

[subspd]

I am thinking I might just have to go with a 6bt instead. It seems that there is more support for maintaining the factory features while still having good parts availability. Plus a few are working on complete kits that will allow me to use someone besides a West coast shop, which when you are on the East coast can be a problem and an added expense.

 

[bugsnbikes]

What's your reasoning for wanting diesel swap? IMHO unless you do 1 of following:

- deep water crossings on regular basis
- week+ long trips beyond U.S. borders where no gas resupply is available (Alaska) and a premium for mpg vs carryable gas supply (55+ gallons).

Anywhere in the US.- carrying a mere 7 gerrys will afford you 600-700+ mile range on a 1fz.

There's a reason the 1fz has been the longest produced Toyota engine..... Imho- get your head gasket pm,d- grab 5 swiss NATO cans........and save yourself $20k in swap costs and stop working 7 days a week to actually afford yourself the time to take a few more weeks off per year to do some great trips. Spend your time doing p.m. on the 1fz- a well sorted 1fz will outlast any swap. Heck if you got money itchin to be spent - drop $7k into having a new 0mile 1fz done and a long ranger tank........will outlast any low mile diesel swap at 3x the price.

 

[bugsnbikes]

If u have funds- have your current 1fz hg done and find a donor 1fz. Send it to Robbie for full rebuild and put your brand new 1fz in garage under wraps. Guaranteed for 1/3 the cost of a diesel swap you will have a more durable setup 2-1FZ's vs ANY diesel on the planet. When your current 1fz hits 250k miles-have your local Toyota dealer or master mechanic swap em out- one or two days downtime and you will be good to cross half million mile mark easy for 1/3 cost of a diesel swap. No Toyota diesel will have less downtime or more durability than that setup unless you do very deep water crossings.

 

[Wheelingnoob]

Well first of all Proffits is no more so no swap help there. Secondly I agree, if you do not have the time, tools or ability to do it your self there is diminishing returns. At that point you are probably better off just keeping the 1fz maintained and put the swap money into gas.

The main reason for my swap is range, I want to be able to go places with out carrying an extra 60L of fuel on the back bumper. I hate having a highly flammable liquid out behind the rear bumper. I also like the simplicity of a mechanical diesel, no EGR codes, no cats, no grumpy electronics that can keep it from running (main wiring harness right on top of the EGR comes to mind). I am mechanically inclined though, keep good records of parts used and can get just about anything working if needed.