I meant Deutz diesels...

[tclark]

They may be too loud, but ya'll are the first of anything I've seen that even hints at them being anything other than super reliable.

How's the power with that 6at island? You running it stock or tweaked a little?

 

[tclark]

Ok, correction here as I'm a moron----I meant Duetz engines. I was reading on both and the last thing I read was about Perkins and that stuck in my head.

 

[island45]

Mine is stock. It develops 120 hp @ 3600 rpm. The longer I drive it, the more willing I am to run up the rpms. Without a tach it's sort of tough to know when to stop revving. Pulling a hill in 3rd with it wound up a bit I am always amazed at the way it pulls this one ton truck up a long, steep grade. Low end torque without looking it up is 220 ft lbs, and it pulls away from a stop quite handily. Just so happens, I also have an '84 bj60 NA, same displacement (3.4)as the 6at so for comparison the 3b is no match for this six. And last summer I bought an '80 International scout with a factory nissan sd33t turbo diesel . This is also a fine engine with 72000 one owner miles. Also indirect injected, 101 hp @3800 rpms iirc. The cummins delivers way more acceleration and noticeable power. The '59 f350 it's in weighs 4000 lbs. Not sure what the scout weighs, someone here will know what the bj weighs. The '59 has a 411 rear axle from a '92 f350. I have been told that the bosch pump can be tweaked, but not interested personally. It does what I need it to do.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Deutz air cooled (well, technically they're oil cooled) engines would have to be one of the most reliable engines around. They're fairly loud, but a very good engine.
On the farm, we had cummins, perkins, international and deutz engines powering centre-pivot irrigators. The Cummins started burning 20 litres of oil per quarter turn of the pivot at 10,000 hours. (It was mistaken for a bushfire once but that's another story) That was replaced with a water-cooled deutz that always, even with a huge radiator, ran hot. The perkins and the inter were good engines, and then there was an air-cooled deutz. That engine was the best of all them - always ran like a charm with zero maintenance, through blsteringly hot and cold, wet days out in the open. The other engines had their issues - they'd leak oil and do idiotic things with their governors etc, but the Deutz never had any of that sort of thing. It just ran.
So, to summarize this rave, if you're looking for a reliable, no-nonsense diesel, you can't go wrong with a Deutz. reasonably smooth running but loud - very loud. You would need to consider whether it would be able to be adapted to on-road use and whether in an enclosed area (vehicle engine bay) you would be able to keep enough air supplied to cool its oil and hence the engine itself. There is a fan that forces air through an oil-cooler but she'd need a fair bit of air. If you find a way around these potential headaches, go for it. You'll have a bulletproof engine powering an ultra-reliable engine.

 

[ozwallaby]

I do believe some oil/gas (lpg/ng) companies use the air cooled Deutz to pump their product from outback wells to collection/refinery areas..... the Deutz pump engines ran on gas (lpg or natural gas ie some of the stuff they were pumping was bled off for this is my understanding)...... there was "some guy" who actually developed water cooled heads for these motors... running on lpg/ng increased heat stress, apparently the water cooled heads solved this problem.... the motors were much larger than what would be used in a cruiser...

just some useless info on air cooled Deutz

 

[cullmancruiser]

Deutz air cooled (well, technically they're oil cooled) engines would have to be one of the most reliable engines around. They're fairly loud, but a very good engine.
On the farm, we had cummins, perkins, international and deutz engines powering centre-pivot irrigators. The Cummins started burning 20 litres of oil per quarter turn of the pivot at 10,000 hours. (It was mistaken for a bushfire once but that's another story) That was replaced with a water-cooled deutz that always, even with a huge radiator, ran hot. The perkins and the inter were good engines, and then there was an air-cooled deutz. That engine was the best of all them - always ran like a charm with zero maintenance, through blsteringly hot and cold, wet days out in the open. The other engines had their issues - they'd leak oil and do idiotic things with their governors etc, but the Deutz never had any of that sort of thing. It just ran.
So, to summarize this rave, if you're looking for a reliable, no-nonsense diesel, you can't go wrong with a Deutz. reasonably smooth running but loud - very loud. You would need to consider whether it would be able to be adapted to on-road use and whether in an enclosed area (vehicle engine bay) you would be able to keep enough air supplied to cool its oil and hence the engine itself. There is a fan that forces air through an oil-cooler but she'd need a fair bit of air. If you find a way around these potential headaches, go for it. You'll have a bulletproof engine powering an ultra-reliable engine.

Actually, there are air cooled Deutz engines too, but they're not as common. The most common Are the 1011 and 2011 (at least here in the US) and you are correct, technically they're oil cooled. Airflow to the oil cooler would be a big issue in a LC. These are pretty much bulletproof engines and will take a lot of abuse as long as you keep them cool. My workplace is an authorized Deutz dealer/ repair center. The main issue we see with the oil cooled engines is stripped or broken timing belts from not following the recommended maintenance schedule. Even then the damage to the engine is minor, usually just pretzeled pushrods. New belt, pushrods, and a valve lash adjustment and you're good to go. We are also an authorized Perkins dealer. Perkins engines are also reliable as an anvil.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Actually, there are air cooled Deutz engines too, but they're not as common.

Thanks for that. There, I learnt something today!

BTW, in my previous post, it's meant to say 'then you'll have a bulletproof engine powering an ultra-reliable vehicle."

 

[Gengis]

Good enough for the old South African Army in the Magirus and Unimog trucks in 4 and 6 cylinder format.
They have also toured the world in expedition trucks. Look up Expedition Portal.
Please don't knock what you don't know about. Yes, probably not practical in a LC, especially a daily drive, BUT it could be done, and it seems that Jerry still supports the engines. Google is your friend.

 

[tclark]

What makes them impractical for dd? Not enough rpms?

 

[Gengis]

I guess it depends on what you are used to and what your DD entails. They are loud, slow accelerating and may not sustain highway speeds. adaptors will not be "off the shelf". But hey, innovation is what I love so much about this site, that and the "fxxx em, I'll do it anyway" attitude.

 

[tclark]

I guess it depends on what you are used to and what your DD entails. They are loud, slow accelerating and may not sustain highway speeds. adaptors will not be "off the shelf". But hey, innovation is what I love so much about this site, that and the "fxxx em, I'll do it anyway" attitude.

Slow and won't maintain hwy speed--I'm used to a tired 2F, and it embodies those attributes well! I'm pretty sure I read that they are mated to GM trannies pretty easily, so that shouldn't be too big of a deal. The noise and the low rpm range will likely deter me, but I still kinda like the idea. Some of those things easily make more hp than the 2F, and gobs of torque. Island has kinda caught my eye with the 6AT though.