Let’s say in ~10 years the hybrid battery is needing to be replaced. Can you just remove it and disconnect the hybrid system to run the 4 cylinder without it?
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I imagine those batteries will be pretty cheap 10 years out. I'd probably be more curious how easy they are to swap since it seems at this point the labor cost might be more than the part.
I'm amazed at how much LiFePO4 prices have dropped in the last couple years.
I'm not aware of any Toyota/Lexus hybrid models that can operate without the battery.
I'm amazed at how much LiFePO4 prices have dropped in the last couple years.
I'm not aware of any Toyota/Lexus hybrid models that can operate without the battery.
ryanjl
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Ten years is a pretty good run. Why not just replace the battery? The battery has a 10-year, 150k mile warranty on it. Drop a freshy in and keep cruising.
Batteries are swapped all the time in the Prius world. I think it's a couple grand for the swap. Some companies even do the swaps with mobile mechanics. That being said, any of these rigs can run ICE-only without the battery, but performance and MPG will be diminished.
As a Toyota hybrid owner, it's really not a big deal to me. It's really no different than other long-term maintenance requirements for the older rigs. Like a timing belt on a 2UZ-FE or a valley plant coolant leak repair on a 1UR. It will eventually happen and it might cost a few grand, but then the rig will be good for another 100-200K.
As a Toyota hybrid owner, it's really not a big deal to me. It's really no different than other long-term maintenance requirements for the older rigs. Like a timing belt on a 2UZ-FE or a valley plant coolant leak repair on a 1UR. It will eventually happen and it might cost a few grand, but then the rig will be good for another 100-200K.
It probably depends on the hybrid setup since some are a few series hybrids IIRC that leverage the ICE motor simply as an electrical motor.
That being said I can imagine there would be at minimum a whole lot of dashboard warning and errors on the dash if battery was disconnected
That being said I can imagine there would be at minimum a whole lot of dashboard warning and errors on the dash if battery was disconnected
Even if it did work without the battery, the decrease in fuel efficiency would kill any savings you had from not replacing the battery.
Something I am curious about is what we will see down the line as AI’s ability to code advances. In 10 years, I could see the ability to show the diagrams of our vehicles, including custom mods, to an AI system and ask it to program a custom software package.
I’m looking forward to when we have a plug in hybrid with 50 mile+ battery range in this segment. Curious how long it will be before we see this on the LC
I’m looking forward to when we have a plug in hybrid with 50 mile+ battery range in this segment. Curious how long it will be before we see this on the LC
IMO.. assuming we are even allowed to pilot our own vehicle in the decades ahead…as is now.. there would likely be mod limitations on whatever you want your vehicle to do if it skewed toward modifications that could potentially affect federally regulated safety systems. Hacks sure.. but doubtful if built in from the manufacturer.
One word of caution about battery replacement in (at least in the Prius vehicles): if you install an aftermarket battery in one of these things, chances are Toyota service departments WILL NOT work on it.
I happened to be in the dealership in Flagstaff, talking to a friend who's a tech, and he was on and off the phone with Toyota HQ, trying to get some info about dealing with a customer's Prius with an aftermarket battery regarding removing or disconnecting said battery. HQ told him not to attempt to remove it or do anything else with the electrical system. I had to go back home to take my nap, so I never heard the final disposition, but it didn't sound promising for the vehicle's owner.
I wonder if the same policy applies to other Toyota hybrid/electrical vehicles, including the new LC...
I happened to be in the dealership in Flagstaff, talking to a friend who's a tech, and he was on and off the phone with Toyota HQ, trying to get some info about dealing with a customer's Prius with an aftermarket battery regarding removing or disconnecting said battery. HQ told him not to attempt to remove it or do anything else with the electrical system. I had to go back home to take my nap, so I never heard the final disposition, but it didn't sound promising for the vehicle's owner.
I wonder if the same policy applies to other Toyota hybrid/electrical vehicles, including the new LC...
I’m not sure this is worth stressing about. As others have pointed out, Toyota has been building hybrids for almost 20 years at this point. And you get plenty of notice before they need to be replaced. And unlike in a Prius, the 250’s battery is in a very serviceable location.
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I'm just hoping in 10 years Toyota can offer a replacement battery with significantly more capacity.
If anyone knows, what do the Toyota replacement batteries for the hybrids cost?
hoser
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Well, Tundra battery, IIRC, is the same size and about $4k retail. Which probably means < $2k aftermarket.... and much less in 7-10 yrs when it needs replacement.
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I don't have a link, but I remember seeing a Car Care Nut video on Youtube where he services a battery pack in one of the Toyota sedan models. It didn't look that difficult of a DIY project.
TheLCProject
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I've done it in a Prius before. The hardest part is just the weight of the battery. Barely a one 
job.
job.
Well it may be a crap shoot, but perhaps the higher price (USA Made) may be some insurance that it won't burn your house to the ground.
Picky, picky, picky...
Boy there is a lot of battery ignorance on this tread. YouTube is a good place to get the basic education.
