Holley Carb Help

[aythya]

Not to beat a dead horse but I am leaning towards the Weber due to the numerous vacuum plugs (only inviting leaks). Not having several functioning aspects of the carb set up, like decel fuel cut.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think under my situation the weber is a simpler design and would function better.

Thanks and any further input (from any interested parties) is greatly appreciated.

 

[Downey]

Here's my opinions:
(a) FACTORY CARBS, back in the carb days (1960-70's) Toyota mechinics would refuse to rebuild a factory carb because those carbs would seldon hold the rebuild (which meant come-backs, do it again for free). From witnessing all that I then never had much faith in factory carbs. Now I see on Mud that there is a great deal of interest in factory carbs. On the one hand it seems that two guys here on Mud are hailed as "factory carb rebuild Gods", and they probably are. On the other hand half the post I read on Mud are guys with factory carb problems. Seems to me that nothing has really changed---although I remain extremely open minded on the matter.
(b) WEBER CARBS, we sold Weber carbs for years to mini truckers. We've seen Weber carbs take a poo-poo on every bump in off road races/off road terrain, but we evidently got away with selling Webers because mini truckers were not as avid an off roader as Landcruiser guys, and anybody racing their mini was actually using dual side draft Mukunies anyway. We actually sold two Landcruiser Weber conversion kit, both were returned because they did not include instruction and did not include linkage hook up kits. Shortly after all of that, Weber deceided to go out of business for about three years, and we lost interest in that whole program.
(c) HOLLEY CARBS, The saddest guy on earth is the guy that thinks he can go wheelin with a "stock out of the box" Holley carb!!! The Holley complains you will hear are from this guy, or the guy who "thinks" he set up his Holley properly. The happiest guy on earth is the Holley guy that in fact installed a "sealed baffle" (not to be confused with Holleys mis-fit baffle) and a vent chimney that extends all the way up to the top lid of his air cleaner. This guy will never spill one drop of fuel out of hios float bowl---end of discussion!!! The down side of Holley use is the time and expense of setting the Holley up properly in the first place. That's why we inventen Landcruiser fuel injection. Nuf said.

 

[lehiguy]

Here's my opinions:
(a) FACTORY CARBS, back in the carb days (1960-70's) Toyota mechinics would refuse to rebuild a factory carb because those carbs would seldon hold the rebuild (which meant come-backs, do it again for free). From witnessing all that I then never had much faith in factory carbs. Now I see on Mud that there is a great deal of interest in factory carbs. On the one hand it seems that two guys here on Mud are hailed as "factory carb rebuild Gods", and they probably are. On the other hand half the post I read on Mud are guys with factory carb problems. Seems to me that nothing has really changed---although I remain extremely open minded on the matter.
(b) WEBER CARBS, we sold Weber carbs for years to mini truckers. We've seen Weber carbs take a poo-poo on every bump in off road races/off road terrain, but we evidently got away with selling Webers because mini truckers were not as avid an off roader as Landcruiser guys, and anybody racing their mini was actually using dual side draft Mukunies anyway. We actually sold two Landcruiser Weber conversion kit, both were returned because they did not include instruction and did not include linkage hook up kits. Shortly after all of that, Weber deceided to go out of business for about three years, and we lost interest in that whole program.
(c) HOLLEY CARBS, The saddest guy on earth is the guy that thinks he can go wheelin with a "stock out of the box" Holley carb!!! The Holley complains you will hear are from this guy, or the guy who "thinks" he set up his Holley properly. The happiest guy on earth is the Holley guy that in fact installed a "sealed baffle" (not to be confused with Holleys mis-fit baffle) and a vent chimney that extends all the way up to the top lid of his air cleaner. This guy will never spill one drop of fuel out of hios float bowl---end of discussion!!! The down side of Holley use is the time and expense of setting the Holley up properly in the first place. That's why we inventen Landcruiser fuel injection. Nuf said.

Help me out. I'm one of the naysayers when it comes to Holleys, having had two retched experiences. My major complaints were flooding and more flooding. Specificly, inclines (obvious) and bounce induced sputtering. Now I did not have a sealed baffle, (I had the standard issue) or a vent tube rising up any higher than stock. I also feel that the amount of fuel that is introduced when the power valve opens is too much. I was using a center-pivot float on both but not a spring loaded needle and seat that I have heard about. I tried jet extenders which seemed useless. I ran the 6 PSI as I recall, that was reccomended to me by Downey. Anyway, on the street, when it was all working, it ran very strongly and the milage was good. I'm still mulling it over ten years later because it was the only carb I ever had that I could not get to work. I loved my Weber, although I think the Holley had a power advantage. The Weber NEVER flooded. Currently I have a Rochester on my 350 that I love, having taken the time to tune it perfectly. It too has never sputtered and passes emmisions with ease. Then there were all the motorcycle carbs I worked on over the years during my racing days. But I still bothers me that I could not master the Holley. So, if you would, spell it out! What does it take to make them work on an off-road vehicle? I'll even try to use my friends rig as the guinea pig to test it as these 350 CFM two-barrels are everywhere and are very affordable compared to the other hardware available.

 

[Downey]

I'll spell this out since I don't think I can link you to a sub-page within a regular page of our website. Go to www.downeyoff-road.com, click onto Engine Components, then click onto Carburetion, then scroll down to Sealed Baffle kit, then click onto the red Tech Talk button. This adventure should explain why the Holley float bowl venting passageways are a problem unless baffle & chimney are installed (sealed baffle, not run of the mill baffled).

 

[cruiser88]

I have had Rochester,Holley,and Weber on my 40.... all of them in the mountains wheeling flooded,sputtered..etc . Fuel injection is the best but having Jim C redo your carb will be fine years to come....a amateur rebuilding a F,2F,3F carb is destined for failure sooner than if a pro did it.

 

[D'Animal]

I agree, at 38 degrees off camber and 42 degrees front down slope and 48degree upslope.

I have had Rochester,Holley,and Weber on my 40.... all of them in the mountains wheeling flooded,sputtered..etc . Fuel injection is the best but having Jim C redo your carb will be fine years to come....a amateur rebuilding a F,2F,3F carb is destined for failure sooner than if a pro did it.

(I have my own rock park and check these kinda things. )

 

[cruiser88]

I agree, at 38 degrees off camber and 42 degrees front down slope and 48degree upslope.






(I have my own rock park and check these kinda things. )

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