Hg Woes

[snowwolf]

It's really ironic that I got rid of my Toyota 4X4 surf because I had the dreaded head gasket go on me, cost me £1000 and that was with me doing all the work, when the head gasket goes on a surf the head has to be changed aswell as the head cracks across the exhaust valves.

I sold it straight away, and thought I would buy a Land cruiser because they are bullit proof engines, now I keep reading about the dreaded HG problems with my LC makes me feel quite sick, it's done 115k so could go at anytime I suppose

 

[tim_teasly]

Same issue for me. I had a 1994 4runner that had the recall HG work done by the PO so I thought I was good to go but it failed again.....So I paid to have it fixed and sold it because I was worried about having it fail again. Bought the LX450 thinking I have solved my worries only to find out that I still have them.

 

[sc40]

well, what you dont hear is about the people who have not had problems.

no one will post up "my HG is still good!"

people post "my HG just blew"

so on this forum one does not hear about the many that still have the oem HG. (myself included 185k and still tickin).

so, in conclusion

TLC's KICK A$$

 

[OGBeno]

I still think that everyone is freaking out a bit too much on this. I hate to be the bummer on this PM recommendation. I thought about it and then some common sense prevailed: a PM HD job?!?! are we joking ourselves? (nothing against those of you who have already done this).

If the head goes, go in and take care of it. If it doesn't continue with your normal maintenance schedule.

A PM HG job is still going to cost the same as a non-PM HG job (if you pull over immediately and take care of it).

I just don't see the logic of PM HG job...might as well rebuild the whole thing while you are in there....

Anyway, flame away.
-o-

 

[OGBeno]

well, what you dont hear is about the people who have not had problems.

no one will post up "my HG is still good!"

people post "my HG just blew"

so on this forum one does not hear about the many that still have the oem HG. (myself included 185k and still tickin).

so, in conclusion

TLC's KICK A$$

Exactly....kind of like everything else in this world. We only bitch and moan when something goes wrong. Never when it goes right.

 

[tim_teasly]

My alternator is still good just wanted you to know. How stupid does that sound.
Or .... My radio is still working. I agree that TLC's Kick A$$. I was just trying to show some compassion to a fellow mudder. Untill you have had to go through a Head Gasket Repair you should have no comment to the situation.

 

[OGBeno]

My alternator is still good just wanted you to know. How stupid does that sound.
Or .... My radio is still working. I agree that TLC's Kick A$$. I was just trying to show some compassion to a fellow mudder. Untill you have had to go through a Head Gasket Repair you should have no comment to the situation.

I'm fully a compassionate LC lover here and I have many times supported fellow mudders going through difficult (or not) mechanical stuff with their rigs...many have helped me. Snow wolf did not say he had a HG problem with his rig. He just said that he was worried. I concur. I worry night and day about it too....

I am just saying I do not see any logic at all for a PM HG job.

Oh, and my original alternator also works fine....thought I did replace my radio....

-o-

 

[tim_teasly]

Oh, and my original alternator also works fine....thought I did replace my radio....

-o-

hahahaha!!

I would not do the PM either. Drive it untill it breaks....Fix it.....Drive it some more. (It is a pain in the a$$ when it does break)

 

[landtank]

The logic depends on the use. My use was for work, which took me all over the northeast. If I lost the HG on the road it ment hotel stays, lost wages and paying top dollar for a dealer to do the work.

For me it was a no brainer, gitter done.

Now if you don't travel much so you'll have easy access to help and support when it fails then drive it til it breaks if you don't mind the possibility of greater expense from the failure.

 

[Beowulf]

Untill you have had to go through a Head Gasket Repair you should have no comment to the situation.

Oh really? ? !! That philosophy will never fly here in the 80 section. We comment on most anything.

I am just saying I do not see any logic at all for a PM HG job.

Beno,
If you had your druthers....

Would you rather replace your HG in your own garage with your own tools, during the spring or fall when the weather is nice, over a long weekend or when you could plan a few days off and after you've saved up some $$ and ordered all the parts from Dan. Maybe have an extra couple of days to send the head out to get checked and the valves done, and maybe time to send off the injectors for a rebuild...

or.....

Would you rather replace your HG in the dead of winter on the side of the road or after a 200 mile tow (or worse yet, have a dealer replace it...) with a quick call to Dan to emergency order the parts .... just the minumum 'cause it has to be back and running by Monday morning cause the kids are in school and you'll have to rent a Cheby Citation for a week and you're behind on 3 deadlines at work and need to work OT but now your HG is toast .....

The point is that sometimes it is easier for some of us to do a PM on our own time instead of "Murphy" time.

Same with the PHH... why subject yourself to several hours to wiggle that thing from behind the starter. Just wait until it blows and deal with it then.

-B-

 

[hatman406080]

After 249,000+ mi. my '93 everything is still good. Regular maintainence and it still runs like it just came off the lot. Just basic body wear and tear.

 

[turbocruiser]

I am just saying I do not see any logic at all for a PM HG job.

Oh, and my original alternator also works fine....thought I did replace my radio....

-o-

Well, aggheemm, that is what i totally thought too and after much agony and angst I decided to do it anyway. In other words there was not as much logic as there was paranoia and look what i found...

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=82261&highlight=HG's

BTW, my original alternator also works fine cause I replaced the brushes while Robbie was replacing my HG...

and...

BTW, I also replaced my radio - its another little known fact that the old original OEM radio (just like the old original headgasket) has a serious flaw in it ...

In the radio's case the flaw is it wont rock loud enough!


BTW, Beno Buddy, this was your quote from that thread!

I wish Robbie worked closer to me!!

Guess this is a PM that I might eventually have to do on me own.


Thanks for the pics.
-o-

Ahh, what fun is living by logic anyways!?!

 

[OGBeno]

Beno,
If you had your druthers....

Would you rather replace your HG in your own garage with your own tools, during the spring or fall when the weather is nice, over a long weekend or when you could plan a few days off and after you've saved up some $$ and ordered all the parts from Dan. Maybe have an extra couple of days to send the head out to get checked and the valves done, and maybe time to send off the injectors for a rebuild...

or.....

Would you rather replace your HG in the dead of winter on the side of the road or after a 200 mile tow (or worse yet, have a dealer replace it...) with a quick call to Dan to emergency order the parts .... just the minumum 'cause it has to be back and running by Monday morning cause the kids are in school and you'll have to rent a Cheby Citation for a week and you're behind on 3 deadlines at work and need to work OT but now your HG is toast .....

The point is that sometimes it is easier for some of us to do a PM on our own time instead of "Murphy" time.

Same with the PHH... why subject yourself to several hours to wiggle that thing from behind the starter. Just wait until it blows and deal with it then.

-B-

I hear what you are saying Beo and I fully understand the logic for some people to go ahead and do this as a PM. I don't feel as it applies to me because (for better or worse):

1. 80 is not a DD
2. 80 sees maybe 30 days of operation all year long
3. Blackstone analysis does not show any signs of HG issues
4. My truck is not exhibiting any signs of HG issues.
5. I am trying my luck....

 

[OGBeno]

Well, aggheemm, that is what i totally thought too and after much agony and angst I decided to do it anyway. In other words there was not as much logic as there was paranoia and look what i found...

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=82261&highlight=HG's

BTW, my original alternator also works fine cause I replaced the brushes while Robbie was replacing my HG...

and...

BTW, I also replaced my radio - its another little known fact that the old original OEM radio (just like the old original headgasket) has a serious flaw in it ...

In the radio's case the flaw is it wont rock loud enough!


BTW, Beno Buddy, this was your quote from that thread!



Ahh, what fun is living by logic anyways!?!

I'll eat those words then....

 

[landtank]

2. 80 sees maybe 30 days of operation all year long

This is probably the best reason FOR doing the HG as PM. Eventually one of those precious 30 days of fun with your truck is going to be the nightmare of the year.

 

[OGBeno]

This is probably the best reason FOR doing the HG as PM. Eventually one of those precious 30 days of fun with your truck is going to be the nightmare of the year.

Can you explain Rick?

Is it because of the heating and cooling cycle of the start-ups?

It's probably better to just let it idle all year long....

 

[landtank]

Can you explain Rick?

Is it because of the heating and cooling cycle of the start-ups?

It's probably better to just let it idle all year long....

You have plenty of time to do this as a casual PM with minimum cost but you would rather jeopardize 1 or more of those 30 days of fun by gambling it won't blow the next time you're out.

I'm desperately trying to find some of those days for myself and the last thing I want to happen is to have a trip ending failure that I could have easily avoided with a little foresight.

 

[Dusty]

this would be a fun and much less stressful pm if a bunch of guys got together under the instructions of a "leader" and knocked it out in a day. Perhaps hold such a meeting in denver and give that "leader" $25 each for tackling the job on his own previously. If such a get together were to happen in denver before the end of next month I'm in.

 

[sc40]

My alternator is still good just wanted you to know. How stupid does that sound.
Or .... My radio is still working. I agree that TLC's Kick A$$. I was just trying to show some compassion to a fellow mudder. Untill you have had to go through a Head Gasket Repair you should have no comment to the situation.

tim, i was mearly stateing that all you hear is how they fail, whitch leads one to believe that they all will do that (blow a HG)

and i have gone through 2 HG repairs, one a PM the other was my DD and i had to bum rides everywhere for a month till i fixed it. (i'm in college) i'm on my 3rd 80 and so far the only one without my fixing the HG, so i can comment on the situation
























ok, so i made that whole story up, this is my first 80 but i'll still comment like a jackass

 

[snowwolf]

What sort of worries me the most is, if you don't spot the needle hitting red and causing other damage to the engine. I would feel a lot better if I could find a temperature sender that could be fitted to the head or very near the head, preferably a wireless one, which also has an audible alarm that can be set at a certain temp, that way you could catch it very quickly before any other damage occurs, I have looked on the net but as yet not found one, if anyone does see a suitable temperature reader with an alarm, either wired or wireless please let me know.