Help!!!!!!!! Trans or clutch scenario

[Cruiser rookie]

Scenario.
84 BJ 3B 170,000km recently turbo'd and lock rite rear on 31x10.5.
Travelling from Whistler to Edmonton via Duffy highway.
I was roughly 30 km from Blue River travelling around 100km/hr and BAM .I was going up a small incline at the time but nothing major.I was just about to drop a gear on the hill but BAM .I should also include that i was load up at the time with all of my girls wordly possessions. ie (1200lbs of shoes)
As soon as it happened i engaged the clutch and pulled over.It does go into gear but it's not very happy sounding.Spinning,some quiet grinding sounds.
I was really pressed for time and had to call a rescue party to rescue the BJ since i had a plane to make.
I'm 300km's north of Yellowknife,the BJ is now in Williams Lake area.My friends have located a mechanic and he is going to pull out the tranny and take a look.
I'm looking for everyone opinion on what failed.ie(Trans or clutch).
And whatever you think it is i'm desperetly in need of either parts sources.
Especially if know of one close to Williams Lake.
Cheers

 

[Greg_B]

The dreaded no oil in t-case is my guess. He can split the case on the truck, and that will tell him real quick. Let us know what he finds. There are any number of people on this board who will be able to help with parts when it is determined what is needed. Tony at kami4x4 = Alltoy (250) 851-4480 in Kamloops is probably the closest LC and Toyota shop I know of.

Idler keeper could have come out too...

hth's

gb

 

[Tapage]

before tha bam .. ! you feel some extrange symptom on your cluthc or tranny .. ? hard pedal, hard lever .. ? I wish the problem are the clutch disk ( broken ) in order you can engage the speeds and the tranny are pulling you car.

 

[crushers]

i would say the clutch let go and lost some of the fiber pads...
if the t/case was gone it would not make any differeence engaging or disengaging...
if the t/case is gone you would have a beautiful burnt oil smell

 

[Greg_B]

i would say the clutch let go and lost some of the fiber pads...
if the t/case was gone it would not make any differeence engaging or disengaging...
if the t/case is gone you would have a beautiful burnt oil smell

Yes, I would love to be wrong...lets hope it is this.

I've yet to experience either.

Suppose pulling the fill and drain plugs on the t-case and tranny might help narrow it down.

gb

 

[crushers]

i have seen/worked on my fair share of cooked t/cases and the burnt smell is a dead give away...

please don't take this as a "i'm right / your wrong", it isn't. there is no combativeness between us, i have been wrong before and probably will be again...
cheers

 

[Greg_B]

i have seen/worked on my fair share of cooked t/cases and the burnt smell is a dead give away...please don't take this as a "i'm right / your wrong", it isn't. there is no combativeness between us, i have been wrong before and probably will be again...cheers

Cool...I'm wrong all the time. Just not too many times with the same thing is all I hope for

Was driving to work and wondering if it is the t-case output gear/shaft, though with that mileage and being B powered I would be suprised. Don't know if it would "bang" either. Would have had a big clunk for a while before as an indicator to I would guess.

gb

 

[crushers]

i had one customer that was driving from Ontario to Calgary, he had the fulids "checked" at a quicky place.
"yep, everything is fine"
the t/case locked up solid at 110k/h, stalled the motor and came to a sliding stop about 1/2 hour east of Calgary.. he gives me a call and says the engine quit... told him to try and start the motor, started right up with no weird noises. let the clutch out and the engine died.
got it towed into my shop and as we pushed it in (driveshaft removed) the smell was over coming. the gears had gotten so hot they had melted the teeth off. bad, very bad...
it was the worse i had ever seen...
cheers

 

[Eric Winkworth]

its amazing how long they will run wothout oil, if you are going short distances I bet!

 

[Cruiser rookie]

Thanks Fingers crossed

Thanks to everyone for the speedy replies.
There wasn't any warning what so ever before the bam or clunk noise happened.Like i said i was just lugging it a little and was planning on dropping a gear when the noise occured.
I also hope that it is only the clutch.I have heard some other theories of the Throw out bearing piling up.
I was very surprised since it has been driving really well and handling the extra weight just fine.
I have really been paying attention to any new noises and all the gauges since the installation of the locker and the turbo.The pyro was around 1000 degrees and i was at 11pounds of boost.Like i said i was watching and listening for anything out of the ordinary.First time driving a vehicule on pavement with a locker so the typical locker noises really made me a little paranoid.
As for the fluid in the transfer case i could look at my records but i had it done around 15,000km ago.She doesn't leak anything but a little engine oil from the typical B places.If i get lucky and it is the clutch is there a good after market I should get and what kind of money am I looking at.
Thanks again
I will let you guys know more when i hear something.
P.S worst case scenario ie(transfer case) what kind of $$$$. Cheers

 

[lshobie]

Sounds clutch related to me. Although the throw out bearing should have given a bit of an indiction that it was going - like a howling or a slight vibration on the clutch pedal when changing gears. I had something similar happen to a BJ42 I had, something let go inside the clutch housing and started making noise - can't remember what it was though - may have been the pin on the clutch release bearing hub, or something with the fork. It was an easy fix though.

Like someone said earlier, make sure your mechanic check the fluids first before pulling the transmission - as I am sure he would. Hopefully it's something in the linkage or just the clutch.

Clutch parts arent that expensive relatively speaking. Just make sure the fly wheel is resurfaced if you do the job.

Regards and good luck. It will be interesting to hear what it is.

 

[Greg_B]

There wasn't any warning what so ever before the bam or clunk noise happened.Like i said i was just lugging it a little and was planning on dropping a gear when the noise occured.I will let you guys know more when i hear something.Cheers

Yes, let us know please.

Toyota clutch would be my vote, it ends up being it. I've never heard complaints, and they typically seem to last.

Did you look underneath? Was the idler still in place on the t-case?

gb

 

[Cruiser rookie]

still awaiting a verdict

I never had the chance to crawl underneath it to check things out.I was on a highway that doesn't have all that much traffic and took the first ride which was right behind.It was also getting pretty late on a Sunday evening and i wanted to get to the nearest town before it got too late.I had an early flight to make in Edmonton so i was forced to get a rescue party organized and get back on the road promptly.
Now that you mention the howling,i did hear something but i thought that it was a mixture of turbo whistle and the 3" exhaust that was recently installed.
I like what i have been hearing from the forum so far and once again i appreciate the replies.
More to come.

 

[Tapage]

Toyota clutch would be my vote, it ends up being it. I've never heard complaints, and they typically seem to last.

2 votes for Toyota Clutch .. in my case maybe 50000 km ( hole kit, bearings, press palte disk ) heavyy off roading .. towing .. and no problems at any time ..


keep us informed dude ..

 

[Cruiser rookie]

Oil never changed

Well bad news regarding my situation.The transmission did pile up.The cause was simply a lack of oil or should i say that the quick lube place that i had do the service negelected to change the fluids at all.
Long story short my friends found a transmission in Prince George and had it ship to the guy that is doing the work.I fly out tomorrow morning to Williams Lake and should be getting my 60 back on the Saturday.NO quotes on the labour but so far the transmission has run me 1710$.I had no idea that five speeds are so hard to locate.
Very bummed about the oil situation since i have always been right on top of keeping up with the regular changes and always using the snythetic oils.
I have all the receipts from the lube job that i had done and getting copies of the work order from the mechanic hopefully i will be able to recoup something from those bastards that screwed my transmission.
Hopefully i didn't get to hosed on the price of the transmission but i was away at work and was forced to leave this terrible situation in my friends capable hands.

I just wanted to thank everyone for the input,help and quick replies that i received during this fiassco.

Cheers

 

[lshobie]

Damn, thats too bad. Those places are horrible. Settle for nothing less than the cost of the complete job, towing, and expenses. This is nothing new to those quick lube places, I am sure they have a few claims a week. Play tough though or you won't get a dime. I am sure a small claims court would see your point and give you the money.

Take pics of everything and the drain plug so they can see thier paint on it.

Good Luck

 

[crushers]

i will bet there was excessive fluid in the t/case for quite some time. the seal went between the tranny and the t/case. no rhyme or reason, the fluid can end up going either way...
might as well do the clutch and the rear engine seal at the same time....

 

[roscoFJ73]

i will bet there was excessive fluid in the t/case for quite some time. the seal went between the tranny and the t/case. no rhyme or reason, the fluid can end up going either way...
might as well do the clutch and the rear engine seal at the same time....

The $25 bypass hose is partial insurance against that.
I got my new gearbox and t/case bolted up to the 1HZ today and that was the 1ST thing to be added.

 

[Tapage]

The $25 bypass hose is partial insurance against that.
I got my new gearbox and t/case bolted up to the 1HZ today and that was the 1ST thing to be added.

this .. ?

sorry I could not be resisted

 

[crushers]

actually if it is too long and it won't allow proper transfer between the 2...
but then it could be the angle of the camera...