HELP: rear brake shoe

[DivePro]

Guys,
I'm stuck with some undersized rear brake shoes. I have a mid 90's Venuzuelan build FJ73 carbed 3F (they call them Machito's) and I'm doing a rear brake job. The guys at the local Napa store told me that my rear brake shoes are ''exotic'' and they can't help me.
The shoes are 10.5 x 2 3/8 (yes, I have measured them tip-to-tip) But, they look exactly like the SOR shoes (part# 081-15B-R)

All the LC suppliers and Napa have are 11.5 x 2 3/8

Does anyone have advice?

 

[Radd Cruisers]

The 11.5 x 2 3/8 is the regular Land Cruiser brake shoe.

Does your Land Cruiser use a Toyota rear end? There may be some market differences that are local to your area.

Provide your VIN and production codes (fire wall tag) and it can be looked up in the parts database.

~John

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Oh, and you need to measure the drum inside diameter to get the 11.5" measure, NOT the shoe from tip to tip .

~John

 

[DivePro]

I tried to check my VIN, but it seems that the local boys in the Venuzuelan factory did not put it in the database, or the VIN is just 'made up'. As far as I can tell, it's a toyota rear end.

Anyway... Do you mean that brake shoe size 11,5 means that it goes into an 11,5 diameter drum?

 

[Radd Cruisers]

I tried to check my VIN, but it seems that the local boys in the Venuzuelan factory did not put it in the database, or the VIN is just 'made up'. As far as I can tell, it's a toyota rear end.

Anyway... Do you mean that brake shoe size 11,5 means that it goes into an 11,5 diameter drum?

Yes, the diameter for brake shoes is always the inside diameter of the drum.

If you are measuring across the shoes, you will not get the right measurement.

There will be a VIN stamped into the frame, usually on the right side in the front wheel well. There should also be a tag, which is usually on the firewall on the engine compartment.

~John

 

[DivePro]

Rear brake Shoe Size Does Matter

Thanks John,

That's why all the LC experts try to sell me a 11.5'' shoe. It's because I have a 11.5'' drum.
It explaines my old & torn brake shoes being about 10.5'' tip-to-tip.

Because I'm on a small Caribbean island just of the coast from Venuzuela, we do get a lot of ''import'' Toyota LC's which are a sum of parts from '74 up to '95. I know my FJ73 came from mainland Venuzuela. I got it extremely dirt cheap and it's a nice project to do for an overhaul.
Next week, the Aisin carb is going out and a new Holley 350 is going in. I ''adjusted'' it a bit with a new pump cam, electr. choke, notched float, jet extensions, vent baffle, viton needle and powervalve.
Together with the MSD Streetfire, MSD Coil and a Pertronix II kit, it should do the trick.

(I've included a pic of my 3F engine project)

Thanks John for your help!!

 

[dioscw]

Yes, the diameter for brake shoes is always the inside diameter of the drum.

If you are measuring across the shoes, you will not get the right measurement.

There will be a VIN stamped into the frame, usually on the right side in the front wheel well. There should also be a tag, which is usually on the firewall on the engine compartment.

~John

In Venezuela many cars specially the ones that where assembly in the country dosen't have VIN, only frame serial number, my FZJ70 is 1996 and dosen't have a VIN.

I think that was from the early 2000's that they started to get VIN's in Toyota's Land Cruisers made in Venezuela.

 

[dioscw]

Guys,
I'm stuck with some undersized rear brake shoes. I have a mid 90's Venuzuelan build FJ73 carbed 3F (they call them Machito's) and I'm doing a rear brake job. The guys at the local Napa store told me that my rear brake shoes are ''exotic'' and they can't help me.
The shoes are 10.5 x 2 3/8 (yes, I have measured them tip-to-tip) But, they look exactly like the SOR shoes (part# 081-15B-R)

All the LC suppliers and Napa have are 11.5 x 2 3/8

Does anyone have advice?

I'm reading again the post and realize that you wrote FJ73, it's that correct? if it is that land cruiser is not venezuelan, it's most likely colombian, that particular model FJ73 (mid side) was never sold in the country.

What year is it? 70 series made in Venezuela have rear DANA 60.

LC made in Venezuela of that date (3F - post 86 pre 92) won't have VIN, only a frame serial number stamped on the right front side of the frame behind the wheel (FJ70-9XXXXX, and the plate on the firewall with that same number, the model code and some other thinks)

There is a Original Toyota part number for the rear brake shoes of DANA 60 axle.

 

[DivePro]

Rear Brake Shoe

Yeah, The model is really FJ73. The tag in the engine comp. says:
MODEL FJ73LV-MN
ENGINE 3F 3956 cc
FRAMEN. FJ73-0007xxx
COLOR 202
TRIM FA10
TRANS./AXLEf H55F / K082
PLANT/BUILT A11


So, How can I easily tell if I've got a DANA 60 ?

(sorry guys, it's my first LC and on this small island there is just not a big 4x4 culture going on.....) :whoops:

 

[DivePro]

Rear Brake Shoe

Oh, It doesn't have a heater and it came with this dizzy... see pic's. Carb is non USA?!

 

[dioscw]

Hi, then is not a made in Venezuela Land Cruiser.

Here are some pics of my FZJ70 rear DANA 60 axle, compare...

This is not the original diff cover!

About 3F non-USA carb, pretty sure that is not USA version since 3F is inyected in USA, from the photos is about the same that have FJ62 and FJ70 here.

 

[David*BJ70]

Yeah, The model is really FJ73. The tag in the engine comp. says:
MODEL FJ73LV-MN
ENGINE 3F 3956 cc
FRAMEN. FJ73-0007xxx
COLOR 202
TRIM FA10
TRANS./AXLEf H55F / K082
PLANT/BUILT A11


So, How can I easily tell if I've got a DANA 60 ?

(sorry guys, it's my first LC and on this small island there is just not a big 4x4 culture going on.....) :whoops:

Axle Codes (TLC FAQ - 9.1 Axle Codes) :

K082

K : 9.5" ring gear

08 : 4.11 ring/pinion ratio

2 : 2 spider gears / open


From my point of view, you have a OEM Toyota axle.... but I may be wrong

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Axle Codes (TLC FAQ - 9.1 Axle Codes) :

K082

K : 9.5" ring gear

08 : 4.11 ring/pinion ratio

2 : 2 spider gears / open


From my point of view, you have a OEM Toyota axle.... but I may be wrong

The photos provided clearly show a non-Toyota axle.

The K082 part only refers to the ratio and ring and pinion diameter.

~John

 

[DivePro]

Name that model...

Just took a good look and it's for sure not a DANA 60. My axle housing is nice and round. See Pic

 

[dioscw]

Just took a good look and it's for sure not a DANA 60. My axle housing is nice and round. See Pic

Toyota diff for sure!

 

[dioscw]

The photos provided clearly show a non-Toyota axle.

The K082 part only refers to the ratio and ring and pinion diameter.

~John

The photos are from my LC FZJ70 made in Venezuela, not from the FJ73 of DivePro

 

[DivePro]

Name that model...

yeah, I thought so.
So I've seen that Plant A11 is Japan. Then we can safely presume it was not build in Venuzuela with Toyota parts.

How come I only have a frame number and not a VIN number??

 

[dioscw]

yeah, I thought so.
So I've seen that Plant A11 is Japan. Then we can safely presume it was not build in Venuzuela with Toyota parts.

Yes, only with the model (FJ73) I can already presume that, like I told you, that model was not sold here.

Why dosen't have a VIN? not sure why really, I can only presume that the LC was for export to a country that didn't requiere (maybe at that time) that the cars have a VIN, but only a serial number.

The LC was made in Japan but that is far from been a Japan-Spec LC , they are made with the final destination of the vehicle in mind (in this case General zone: latin america, asia, australia, south africa, etc.), so they are made with the requierement of each country.

 

[DivePro]

Thanks for the info DIOSCW. I feel much better.

Since your in Caracas, do you know of anyone that does nice custom front bumpers?
I've seen some very nice stuff on toyota machito en MercadoLibre Venezuela - Donde comprar y vender de todo.

Thinking about it, can you explain the difference between a MACHITO and FJ70/73 ?

Thanks again!!

 

[dioscw]

Thanks for the info DIOSCW. I feel much better.

Since your in Caracas, do you know of anyone that does nice custom front bumpers?
I've seen some very nice stuff on toyota machito en MercadoLibre Venezuela - Donde comprar y vender de todo.

Thinking about it, can you explain the difference between a MACHITO and FJ70/73 ?

Thanks again!!

This are some brands of bumpers, but the custom part, I don't know if the do it anymore, many of those brands started with custom bumpers but with the time they evolved to a more serial production.

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Difference between machito and FJ70/73, none, is the same car, some are called machito, macho, hembrita (pick-up), etc. It just the "popular" name.