Help, my rebuilt 2LT keeps burning oil! (1 Viewer)

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Ok, I know the history of the 2LT being a total POS, so no flames, if you please.

The biggest problem with the 2LT, I believe, is that it was too small of an engine to power a 70 series 'cruiser, awful heavy vehicle for a 2.4l engine. So, I put a 2LT (not 2LTE or 2LT-II, old style rocker-roller valvetrain) from a ~1985 LJ71 into a US model 1982 LN pickup to replace the anemic 1L engine. I figured in a much lighter vehicle, alnog with some redundancies and mods, it should scoot along pretty good. And it does. So, a bit more history with a list of said mods:

-recore rad to three core "racing style" (increase coolant capacity).
-Davies-Craig electric water pump. In compound with OEM pump, triggered by thermostatic switch to prevent "heat soaking" on the head.
-Aux. electric fan, also on thermoswitch
-2.25" exhaust. EGT stays under 1000°F even when I push it a bit.
-intercooler.
-Turbologic wastegate controller (BoostController.com LLC - America's Source for High quality turbo boost controllers, silicone hose, and more performance products - 877-836-6155- precision boost control. Turbosmart Warehouse Distributor) for $60, it beats the hell out of a hokey "grainger valve" system. Peaks at 12psi for about 0.5sec (the value at which the red light comes on in the LJ)
-New head from www.allhead.com.au with the "steam bleed-off" kit.
-Remote bypass oil filter. Better filter and increase oil capacity.
-Total rebuild, bored, new pistons bearings etc. Done by best pro shop I could find. They also did the short-block assembly for me, so the ring-gaps etc. should be spot on.

Broke it in real nice. Got a load on, ran it for 1 hour, low speeds, no highway driving or sustained constant RPM. Oil+filter change. Ran it for about 1,000 mi. Same deal, back roads uphill downhill, no sustained highway speeds. Oil+filter change. Ran for 3000mi with some moderate highway driving ~60mph. Oil+filter change.

All the while, little oil leaks kept springing up everywhere. The vac pump hoses went bad, as did the vac pump O-ring. The oil line fitting on the alt. turned out to be half stripped. The half round plug on the back of the head kept leaking (use "The Right Stuff the first time!). Long story longer, It was hard to tell how much oil was actually being consumed as opposed to simply leaking. Now that I have all the leaks stopped, the damn thing is burning 0.5 litre every 2-3 days! And it seems worse on highway driving.

I realize that some oil consumption is normal during break-in, but this seems excessive at 7,000 mi. I haven't done a compression test yet, but the unit seems to run beautifully. Lots of go, holds it speed going downhill, the compression seems good just driving it. There doesn't seem to be excessive blowby out of the valve cover, a bit of oil comes out but nothing huge. Oil press. runs about 19-25psi at idle and 45-50psi driving. Temp runs between 175°-195°F.

I may have made a mistake though. Not really reading up too much first, I have been running Amsoil SAE30/10W30 syn. diesel oil. After the fact, I read some articles that claim due to syn. superior lubricity, it can cause the rings to "glaze over" and not seat in properly. But there are many conflicting reports on this. I asked my own mechanic (specializes in import diesels, hard to find down here), and he said that there is some truth to that, more that the engine will take longer to break in properly, and not to panic just yet just keep it topped off and run it through the winter and see how it goes.

I really hope I'm not looking at a re-ring, that would suck with two straws. What else could it be? Crappy valve guide seals? I'm stumped. This is a great little truck, I'm not redy to give up just yet. Sorry this post is a little on the windy side, any ideas?
 
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So you've changed amsoil oil on a break in 3 times in the last 3000km's are you nuts? that stuff costs way to much for that, a new filter would have been fine... Personally I agree with people's issues running synthetic during the break in period, I really do think it has so much lubricity that it actually doesn't allow the proper wear for rings to seat. IMO amsoil is the cream of the crop oil, and that being said probably the worst break in oil to run... Now all that being said I don't think i'd go as far to even think about re ringing it yet....

and as much as some people might disagree, I see you having two options, keep running the amsoil, or switch to a good dino diesel oil, for a period then go back to amsoil say in 6 months.... I know you aren't supposed to swap oil's back and forth, but if you change oil like you do I can't see it hurting anything...

Are you getting any noticeable blue smoke? a compression check would give you some more piece of mind.... is your turbo new?

good luck....

PS, I've had some experience with those K&N type filters, and although they have great flow.... I don't think it would be my first choice on a diesel I want to last for a while...
 
The turbo is rebuilt and the shaft balanced, turbo runs great. Perhaps I'm overly cautious about breaking in, but I can get Amsoil delivered to my door for cheaper tham Mobil1 at wallyworld. You only get one chance to break it in, so I didn't mid the extra expense. It was one of the smaller ones, I promptly burned out the bearings in the transmission. As it turns out the old L50 transmissions weren't bult to handle much. So it went off to Marlin Crawler for a G54 rebuild to the tune of $1,200. Besides, it is a business vehicle so everything I dump into it is a tax deduction. The filter doesn't worry me too too much, you would be hard pressed to find a dirt road, or even driveway here. I'm going to fit a Uni-foam "sock" over it soon. I just put that on the other day, I ran it mostly on the stock air-box.

I think I might take 'er in for a once-over, including a comp. check. I just moved recently and I am temporarily withot shop-space.
 
Try some thicker oil. I ran my 1HZ on 20-50 Castrol Diesel oil after a rebuild for 2 years,never used a drop.
Rebuilt engines run hot for a while and low viscosity oils get thinner
 
turbo no bueno ?
check your crossover pipe/intercooler

For oil?
Hmm, perhaps this is worth looking into. There is a small amont of oil in the IC. But I assumed this was from the valve cover vent hose that goes into the intake between the air cleaner and the turbo. I have temporarily removed this, at the suggestion of my mechanic, to see if the oil consumption gets worse or better. Perhaps I'll clean all the oil ot of the ic, etc., leave the vent hose undone, and see if I get oil all over the inside of the thing again. A bad turbo seal would be a lot easier to deal with than a re-ring... Thanks! I did rebuild the turbo myself, there was a deal a guy was offering on ebay where if you buy the rebuild kit, he would balance the shaft for free, I may have fuct it up, we'll see.
 
Try some thicker oil. I ran my 1HZ on 20-50 Castrol Diesel oil after a rebuild for 2 years,never used a drop.
Rebuilt engines run hot for a while and low viscosity oils get thinner

I brought this idea up with the machanic (switch to a heavier dino oil) and that's when he said "don't panic just yet...". Newer synthetics seem to be compatible with dino oil, I can't really see the harm in switching. I might just try that yet, the damn thing is already burning oil. I might try that after ruling out the turbo.
 
dino oil is for breaking in. you want the rings to wear to the cylinders. and yes dino and sythetic are compatible with each other.
 
go buy the cheapest dino oil you can find and drive the crap out of it...
seriously.
you need to work the engine to make the rings seat. stick 2000 lbs in the back and go for a good hard drive. (watch your pyro and water gauge of course)
i baby a rebuild for about 100 miles and then bag on them, never had an issue.

also if you used chromie rings then they can take up to 20,000 to seat...i use cast, they seat quickly and last a long time...
 
go buy the cheapest dino oil you can find and drive the crap out of it...
seriously.
you need to work the engine to make the rings seat. stick 2000 lbs in the back and go for a good hard drive. (watch your pyro and water gauge of course)
i baby a rebuild for about 100 miles and then bag on them, never had an issue.

also if you used chromie rings then they can take up to 20,000 to seat...i use cast, they seat quickly and last a long time...

I don't know what kind of rings they are, whatever 4wheelauto puts in their kits. I always carry about 700 lb worth of stuff, and I make it work. So, after 7,000 mi it's not too late to change to dino oil and have the rings still seat in proper?
 
load it up heavy and go for a drive...
ask Dan, if they are chromoly then they will take time...
 
Most likely you switched to synthetic too soon before your rings had time to break in. The rings haven't mated to the cylinder walls yet.

It takes 10-15,000 miles for the cast rings ( a little more for chrome ) to seat in a diesel on dino oil. But on synthetic thats a different story, you can double that or they won't seat at all. Switch back to dino oil and you should be ok.
 
I did rebuild the turbo myself, there was a deal a guy was offering on ebay where if you buy the rebuild kit, he would balance the shaft for free, I may have fuct it up, we'll see.

I did that a couple of years ago for a friend, the turbo lasted a while but went crap not long after. Maybe the unit was beyond servicing, the rebuild kit was a POS or the mechanic did something wrong :doh:
Or maybe a bit of each added up :meh:
 
Don't know about today's synt oil but I remember an issue with airplane piston engines some years ago.
The manufacturer at that time stated they could run from day one on synt oil.......and got into a lot of trouble because virtually every engine that had been broken in with synt kept burning oil.
So soon they switched back to dino for the break-in and thereafter synt.

I therefore agree with others saying go back to dino, drive it for maybe 10k miles (until oil consumption is normal) and then go to synt if you want to.
 
The turbo seems to be performing well. I get absoluteley NO blue smoke at all. Peak at 12 psi, engine otherwise seems to run great. Runs cool as you please. The general consensus here seems to be "dino oil". So, what have I got to lose? Going to change over this evening and see what happens. I wish I had done a bit more homework before hand. Oh, well...
 
This brings up a story of my youth... a buddy builds a really nice 240Z, lots of performance but the thing smokes like a bastard for the longest time. The rings were chromoly and he was using high end oil.

The engine only just stopped blowing blue after he took it around the race track at Westwood for a whole weekend just screaming the crap out of the engine with 7 grand shifts and sliding through every corner.

It's new, you've done a lot to it... put in some dinosaur oil and run it normally for a few weeks. Make sure your smoke really is engine oil, and not diesel.
 
:hmm:


"...around the race track at Westwood for a whole weekend just screaming the crap out of the engine with 7 grand shifts and sliding through every corner. "

I might have to try that...
 
you might have a problem pulling that off since:
a) you only rev to 4700
b) the track will have to be icy to "slide through the corners"
 

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