Hafc Install Thread! (mpg Increase?!) (3 Viewers)

[SS_Storm]

Thanks guys!


the kits you see on the internet DO work, the cheap 300 buck what ever does do what u need it to do.
if you want to put together a very cheap version of this you get the 300 dollar kit on the internet
thats going to be a bunch of stainless pieces you stick into a jar, looks like crap but it still produces hydrogen. than get some copper tubing and wrap it around your hot radiator hose and splice it to your fuel line.
Fuel Savers Store
get an "EFIE" from here it is just a thing to make ur 02 sensors look like the engine needs to lean itself out.

you can get an entire fuel saving system going for around 400 bucks and get 20% or so better

U can find more products if u look under Hydrogen booster or hydro booster its a nice power adder

 

[Kalawang]

I'm just old enough to remember way back during the "energy crisis" in the early 70's, when I was a boy. Our next door neighbor bought this vacuum hose thingy. Just find a vacuum hose that goes to the carburetor, cut the hose, install the thingy in between the two hoses. Adjust it until you don't hear any more hissing sound. Then read the instructions that had all the warnings about bad driving habits that caused lower gas mileage.

Is this just a more modern, much more sophisticated version of the above device? I have no idea.

Having a father that is involved with theoretical physics who has also experimented with a few of his own engines using some very interesting fuels, I know that there are alternatives to what we are using today.

I'd love for it to work, but I'm very skeptical. I'm idealistic enough to believe that if something really does help improve gas mileage, that it will be embraced by the marketplace.

I'm a few years older and I also remember that during the fuel crisis of the 70's a fair number of miracle gadgets came on the marketplace that promised fuel savings of 30% or more. I don't recall that any of them survived to the day.

In times of desperation there will be predators. Have a caution.


Kalawang

 

[Riad]

HAH Dyno it? I am seeing 120 miles to 1/4 tank all c1ty miles- filled up, measured the gas and that added up to 18mpg city. Ill never prove it unless I spend a crap load of money im not willing to do. Ill tune it and post up numbers from a standard orange test but im gonna ignore the little pricks. Believe it or not I could care less. I dont benefit from people on this board believing it or not

I hear ya. I just filled up this week with 18.94 gallons after 341 miles. I don't have what you have. I just got mine on dinky tires and average 55 mph daily driving. But every time I hit 80 mph my MPG drops like a rock. Any way, it's good to know that you are benefiting from what you have. Keep up the good work and post up any side effects you may/may not encounter.

 

[charleston]

I hear ya. I just filled up this week with 18.94 gallons after 341 miles. I don't have what you have. I just got mine on dinky tires and average 55 mph daily driving. But every time I hit 80 mph my MPG drops like a rock. Any way, it's good to know that you are benefiting from what you have. Keep up the good work and post up any side effects you may/may not encounter.

Huh?? your getting 18MPG with a stock truck? Do "Dinky tires" mean stock size or do you have smaller tires on it. Smaller tires would trick your OD to think you are turning more miles then actual, similar to how larger diameter tires slow down the OD to show worse mpg.

 

[Riad]

Huh?? your getting 18MPG with a stock truck? Do "Dinky tires" mean stock size or do you have smaller tires on it. Smaller tires would trick your OD to think you are turning more miles then actual, similar to how larger diameter tires slow down the OD to show worse mpg.

mmmm... may be. See my sig for tire info. I fill up every week. My MPG range is from 16.5 to 17.5. When I go wheeling, it drops to as low as 13 (+/-)MPG. I had never got 18 before but at this point I am happy with any thing better that 14 MPG.

 

[charleston]

mmmm... may be. See my sig for tire info. I fill up every week. My MPG range is from 16.5 to 17.5. When I go wheeling, it drops to as low as 13 (+/-)MPG. I had never got 18 before but at this point I am happy with any thing better that 14 MPG.

I'm not sure about others but I have to fill up at around 250 miles putting around 18-19 gallons in. I'm riding on 285/75 and know the od is off about 8%. The extra 8% puts me somewhere around 270 miles or 14.59 miles per gallon.

 

[Riad]

Last week I filled up with 21.64 gallons after 373 miles.

 

[decavo]

here is another site shelling a product and a few cool utube videos showing the components and why they work. One of them has you putting vinegar into the unit. I talked to another mudder who claims it will get an extra 90 miles out of a tank on a 62 I directed him to this thread..

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators

 

[Grolar]

Huh?? your getting 18MPG with a stock truck?
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Sorry for the hijack. I'd say it's doable. I recently averaged 16.4 mpg on a 2,500 mile, 90% interstate trip with a loaded stock truck. Constant 55 mph on flat roads should result in a mpg average close to 20 if the rig's well tuned IMHO.

 

[e9999]

I've always read/heard said how the people on IH8Mud are the coolest, most respectful and helpful bunch of people on the whole planet.
But, if this were the first thread I ever read on this board, I would find it very difficult to believe.
I am very disappointed.

ummm.... On the contrary, some might argue that this thread is actually a proof of amazing restraint on the part of most mudders. Would be more interesting on Pirate by a bunch.

I strongly agree that insults and personally offensive comments have no place regardless of the nature of the thread. But arguing civilly about the technical merits of claims made here in public is perfectly appropriate IMHO. Yes, we don't want to completely sidetrack a thread or make somebody feel bad gratuitously, so some good judgement is needed, but discussing a topic if it is highly controversial is fine I think.

What is the alternative? Somebody posts that for a $1,000 they can make your 80 fly and everybody should just say OK or nothing at all and leave it at that? One could easily argue that ethically we have an obligation to speak up, in fact, if there is a chance this would help somebody avoid losing money.

 

[Beowulf]

What is the alternative? Somebody posts that for a $1,000 they can make your 80 fly and everybody should just say OK or nothing at all and leave it at that? One could easily argue that ethically we have an obligation to speak up, in fact, if there is a chance this would help somebody avoid losing money.

Exactly!

And guys, PLEASE, if you are going to post your damn MPG numbers then do us all a favor and post ADJUSTED numbers that factor in your over/under-sized tyres, and your re-gearing, and learn how to accurately calculate MPG. Bogus numbers do nobody any good and this is really simple grade school math.

-B-

 

[lx450landcruiser]

What is the alternative? Somebody posts that for a $1,000 they can make your 80 fly and everybody should just say OK or nothing at all and leave it at that? One could easily argue that ethically we have an obligation to speak up, in fact, if there is a chance this would help somebody avoid losing money.

 

[ed97fzj80]

mmmm... may be. See my sig for tire info. I fill up every week. My MPG range is from 16.5 to 17.5. When I go wheeling, it drops to as low as 13 (+/-)MPG. I had never got 18 before but at this point I am happy with any thing better that 14 MPG.

I ran your tires at the miata.net tire calculator and they are darn close to stock. The difference is nominally about 1% positive -- IOW if everything is on the numbers, your mileage is actually 1% better than what you are recording.

 

[Riad]

I ran your tires at the miata.net tire calculator and they are darn close to stock. The difference is nominally about 1% positive -- IOW if everything is on the numbers, your mileage is actually 1% better than what you are recording.

Well those calculators don't really factor every thing in IMHO. What I have gathered from my experience thus far is: if I drive 90 mph every day 5 days of the week (that includes drifting), I can burn out 20 gallons of gas (or more) in let's say about 200 miles (or less). The tire size does not make much of a difference in that case. My wife's 04 4Runner (100% stock) behaves the same way except instead of 200 miles, it does 280 miles figuratively speaking. Like I said, I am happy with what I get, for now. The Hafc stuff is simply not ready for prime time yet IMHO but if you are benefitting from it, kudos to you. End of the day what matters (only to you) is how much you have saved in gas.

 

[ed97fzj80]

Well those calculators don't really factor every thing in IMHO. What I have gathered from my experience thus far is: if I drive 90 mph every day 5 days of the week (that includes drifting), I can burn out 20 gallons of gas (or more) in let's say about 200 miles (or less). The tire size does not make much of a difference in that case. My wife's 04 4Runner (100% stock) behaves the same way except instead of 200 miles, it does 280 miles figuratively speaking. Like I said, I am happy with what I get, for now. The Hafc stuff is simply not ready for prime time yet IMHO but if you are benefitting from it, kudos to you. End of the day what matters (only to you) is how much you have saved in gas.

They only factor in differences in nominal tire size, and, in response to a question about how much difference your aftermarket tires might be making in your mileage calcs, that's all I was attempting to address. I have no clue why you're talking to me about drifting and other bad driving habits in this context, except that maybe I should have quoted the questioning post instead of yours. backatcha

 

[Riad]

They only factor in differences in nominal tire size, and, in response to a question about how much difference your aftermarket tires might be making in your mileage calcs, that's all I was attempting to address. I have no clue why you're talking to me about drifting and other bad driving habits in this context, except that maybe I should have quoted the questioning post instead of yours. backatcha

Well I mentioned them in this context because those are the kind of factors usually excluded from the tire size+mpg calculators. These factors do effect MPG in addition to poor/better engine condition. When they are excluded, most likely the result is not going to be accurate. That's all. Didn't mean to come at ya any other way.

 

[WildHare]

I strongly agree that insults and personally offensive comments have no place regardless of the nature of the thread. But arguing civilly about the technical merits of claims made here in public is perfectly appropriate IMHO....

What is the alternative? Somebody posts that for a $1,000 they can make your 80 fly and everybody should just say OK or nothing at all and leave it at that? One could easily argue that ethically we have an obligation to speak up, in fact, if there is a chance this would help somebody avoid losing money.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree. I find it doubtful that a single man or a small group could independently discover methods for improving combustion engine efficiency while maintaining drivability, maintenance schedules, cost, and especially reliability, that have eluded scientists and the automotive industry for decades. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Given that he does not submit his equipment for independent verification, even though the HFAC system is in the marketplace, is very suspicious. It seems as if he's hiding something.

I comment in this thread to encourage caution. Many is the person who will sell a miracle for a dollar. Before buying, give it some time and see if the sunshine of honest review will or won't evaporate his claims.

 

[snowcruiser]

Ignore the critique SS and please keep posting your results. There are a lot of spectators!

 

[ed97fzj80]

I feel adequately warned.

 

[Rusty55]

I completely and wholeheartedly agree. I find it doubtful that a single man or a small group could independently discover methods for improving combustion engine efficiency while maintaining drivability, maintenance schedules, cost, and especially reliability, that have eluded scientists and the automotive industry for decades. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Given that he does not submit his equipment for independent verification, even though the HFAC system is in the marketplace, is very suspicious. It seems as if he's hiding something.

I comment in this thread to encourage caution. Many is the person who will sell a miracle for a dollar. Before buying, give it some time and see if the sunshine of honest review will or won't evaporate his claims.

Do you really think that they (automotive and big oil) Don't have the technology to get 50-100 mpg suv, pick-up or something to that effect. I own a 1968 F-350 that gets 14 mpg. You cannot tell me that with the way technology evolves that my 2007 chevy should be getting 75 mpg.