Curious about 700h OT payload, but I can't find GVWR published by Lexus.
Google AI claims GVWR 7,452 lbs (source unknown). If true, then, its 5,945 lb curb (source Lexus) yields a 1,507 lb payload, which would be decent.
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Curious about 700h OT payload, but I can't find GVWR published by Lexus.
Google AI claims GVWR 7,452 lbs (source unknown). If true, then, its 5,945 lb curb (source Lexus) yields a 1,507 lb payload, which would be decent.
This is straight from the owner's manual, but I'd still take it with a grain of salt (Doesn't specify 5 vs 7 seats):
Thanks for posting that. 1190 lbs - bummer.
Well, adding further:
Simple math here says:
15,450# (GCWR) - 8000# (Trailer) = 7,450# GVWR
7450# - 5,945# (Curb Weight) = 1,505# Payload
However, I found a door label for a 2023 LX600 that shows a GVWR of 3280kg (7230#) so
We'll find out soon if the GVWR has been increased for 2025 and the LX7.
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Nimble = subpar materials = s***
I will skip the nimble trash from now on.
My new 25 LX600 is being built soon, and the GX goes bye bye - i refuse to drive it and it just sits as I use my 23 LX600.
Pretty damning, but I can believe it. I sat in one for a bit and it did not impress me.
It is just marching enshitification. We get s*** cars dictated by unrealistic energy regulations, that do more harm that good (lowered lifetime of vehicles = more energy/resources wasted), insane safety regulations, and dumb consumers valuing crap bells & whistles over reliability and longevity.
It is just marching enshitification. We get s*** cars dictated by unrealistic energy regulations, that do more harm that good (lowered lifetime of vehicles = more energy/resources wasted), insane safety regulations, and dumb consumers valuing crap bells & whistles over reliability and longevity.
Come on now. There's no way you can objectively say the GX460 is a superior vehicle to the GX550. It has far less horsepower and torque, about 2,0000 lbs less towing capacity, half the cargo volume (45 vs 90), less wheel articulation, no rear locker, and far (far) less technology. It hasn't changed much since 2009. What objective measurement can we reference where the 550 falls short?
I'm coming out of a fully loaded 2023 Defender with every creature comfort and optional piece of off-road kit, and I find the GX550 very comparable across the board, and superior in many areas such as useful tech and being extremely off-road capable without mods. In fact, the GX550 had so many improvements over the Defender, I sold the Defender after only a year to get the GX. This guy calls the GX trash - that opinion is clearly an outlier. Everything I touch in the 550 Overtrail+ feels like quality. I really find it hard to believe someone could sit in that massaging seat, hold the heated steering wheel, reach into the cool box to grab a beverage, look at the fully digital instrument cluster, bring up CarPlay on that 14" screen, and think to themselves this vehicle feels cheap. GTFO.
I'm curious what someone typically drives if this vehicle feels cheap. It's only fair to ask yourself, are you trying to be coddled with an emphasis on luxury, or do you want something you can take to the office or on a date night, but also toss your wet camping gear into and haul some firewood back to the campsite on the weekends? If you want luxury, compare it to a Mercedes GL, Range Rover, or a BMW X7. I have near total confidence Lexus was not trying to compete in that market with the GX. It was designed to be a Defender killer with an emphasis on function. They're selling very well, so clearly the court of opinion has spoken.
I think this is not about quality but reliability and feeling of robustness. No contest 550 has more features, but sounds like 460 was more solid. I drive two 200s (and a 718 GTS4.0), so my perception may be skewed. I also wasn't impressed with GX460 Prado equivalent in Europe I rented few years back, but mostly because it seemed cramped and bit primitive, but it still felt solid.
$88K for a GX550 vs. $40-50K for a low-mileage 2022 or 2023 GX460. More reliable/proven power train, no intercoolers to kill approach angle, good aftermarket support, V8 sound. The GX550, despite 50% more ft/lbs of torque, is less than 1 second quicker in a 0-60 run than a GX460.
If money is more object, sure the GX550 has better numbers. I don't see it having twice the value of a GX460, however, and for 99% of driving scenarios, whatever differences there are will be immaterial.
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Fair enough, but that doesn't fit the conversation here. You're talking value for money vs the vehicle being low quality. You can argue you personally don't see the $30K in value over a quality, no longer in production used car, which is the argument when comparing ANY used vs new vehicle, but that doesn't make the new model "trash" or the product low quality.
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I'm not saying the GX550 is trash at all, nor can I opine on the build quality of the vehicle as I have not driven one, and they've only been on the road for a year.
Time will tell how reliable the VA35F and 10-speed are. Early indications are not good (at least in the Tundra/LX600). Some of that is not Toyota's fault - given the overly restrictive regulatory environment we have in the US per a previous poster - but catastrophic engine failures are never excusable. Regardless, I would be extremely surprised if, in 2035, that this powertrain is proven to be as reliable as the 2UZ/A750F or a 1UR/A760F found in the previous GX generations. It's simply too complicated.
Dollar for dollar, I maintain that a lightly used GX460 is a far better value than a GX550 and has a higher probability of being on the road after 20 years and 300K of driving.
….but let’s be honest, the reliability issue is not applicable until the car proves unreliable.
Again. It ain’t a 200/300 series. Stop pre-judging based on apples v oranges!
It is not to a great start with the sketchy turbo V6 self-destructing itself. And when I read about fluttering hood sheet metal, I thought, geez, 3rd gen Taco again which was bit of a downgrade in "robustness" from the 2nd gen. This should never happen on a luxury brand vehicle at this price point. But again this is par the course of enshitification, you can get some questionable gizmos while the corners are cut elsewhere.
I don't have horse in this race as I am not in the market for one, but the feedback from the OP was interesting and reinforced my bias against these new Toyota toy cars.... lol.
The ‘self destructing’ v6 was not the GX, not built in Japan, fixed prior to the GX hitting the market, and was not a design issue but as I understand it an isolated non design / non quality related issue rectified quickly.
Hmph.
It’s amazing how much a forum set up in support of a specific vehicle is doing to carelessly tear that very vehicle down. Again, if it’s so bad, I’ll buy everyone’s at $40k each to rid them of their robustness lacking ‘nimble trash’ that is only considered not robust because it’s being compared to different animals altogether.
I thought so to but it sounds like the issue is deeper than just compromised batch from what I read. Maybe there is more than one issue, and they overlap. But apparently engine replacement after recall are still bombing and there are failures on 2024 model year of trucks with this engine.
No need to be defensive or get butthurt. You enjoy the car, that's great and all that matters, who cares what strangers on Internet think? It is just some of us do not like where the car market is going, largely driven by unhinged regulations, and voice our opinions. You do not need to agree with them.
Ih8mud used to be filled with rad builds and guys pushing the envelope….
I’ve owned a GX460 (traded), LC200 (traded), LX600, and GX550 all in the last year. They’re all great for different reasons and meet different needs.
The LX600 “feels” different than the others. I know it is off-road capable, but it feels like a luxury vehicle. Very different than the 200.
If you want something that you’ll drive for 20 years and put 500,000miles on, then sure, you should probably buy a proven platform.
For me, I have no concerns with a 600 and 550 in the stable. They’re both warranted to 10yr/100k and by that point I’ll probably be looking forward to the next generation of Cruisers.
The LX600 “feels” different than the others. I know it is off-road capable, but it feels like a luxury vehicle. Very different than the 200.
If you want something that you’ll drive for 20 years and put 500,000miles on, then sure, you should probably buy a proven platform.
For me, I have no concerns with a 600 and 550 in the stable. They’re both warranted to 10yr/100k and by that point I’ll probably be looking forward to the next generation of Cruisers.
For some some real LX600 vs GX550 debate, which looks better in the New Orleans snow?
