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Hottest ambient temperature logged thus far are 31C, ~88F. Hit 104C briefly in the converter when passing but when the clutch locks the temps drop. I’m seeing the trans avg temperature track up to 10C higher than radiator temperature. Figure 90/100c for working peak for radiator/trans respectively.

It’s warm but perfectly acceptable, so I’ll keep holding off on a cooler for now. We will see what July holds when ambient can hit 40°C or more.
Driving around in IN, you may never actually need one. Where these rigs have problems are on long mountain climbs where the trans stays in 3rd gear or lower, and the TCC does not lock. Even with the GX470 - which has a small external cooler - the temps can start to run away and easily exceed 230F or higher, even under light throttle. It's quite a bit worse if you are towing something.

The larger Hayden coolers provide quite a bit more cooling capacity. Towing here in MO (which is hillier than IN but not exactly mountainous), my temps never got much above 200F. But, wheeling unloaded up mountain passes in 4LO/1st gear out west, I still got up into the 230F range even with the Hayden 678 cooler.

The TCC unlocking issue can be solved with a Wholesale automatics lockup switch (at least for a 470, not sure if they have one yet for a 460), which I use often in towing to lock the TCC in any gear and prevent runaway temps. But, that's not exactly useful for slow-speed wheeling where one needs to stop often (as it will stall the rig), so I also upgraded to a CSF radiator which I hope will keep everything cooler during slow-speed wheeling.
 
Hottest ambient temperature logged thus far are 31C, ~88F. Hit 104C briefly in the converter when passing but when the clutch locks the temps drop. I’m seeing the trans avg temperature track up to 10C higher than radiator temperature. Figure 90/100c for working peak for radiator/trans respectively.

It’s warm but perfectly acceptable, so I’ll keep holding off on a cooler for now. We will see what July holds when ambient can hit 40°C or more.

40°C I have to calculate to °F. On the other hand I do know that -40°C and -40°F are equal. And come winter often wish that I wasn't aware of that...

With some of the hills near my house and in the bluffs my TC can break 200° briefly even with the cooler but it comes down quickly. Before the cooler it would do the same but especially in stop and go the pan (sump) would eventually get hot enough that it wouldn't drop until I was moving again. So if your pan temps are not getting saturated to where it can't drop you should be fine I would think. I wonder if the CSF radiator might not be too much of a good thing in the winter cold here though.
 
Driving around in IN, you may never actually need one. Where these rigs have problems are on long mountain climbs where the trans stays in 3rd gear or lower, and the TCC does not lock. Even with the GX470 - which has a small external cooler - the temps can start to run away and easily exceed 230F or higher, even under light throttle. It's quite a bit worse if you are towing something.

The larger Hayden coolers provide quite a bit more cooling capacity. Towing here in MO (which is hillier than IN but not exactly mountainous), my temps never got much above 200F. But, wheeling unloaded up mountain passes in 4LO/1st gear out west, I still got up into the 230F range even with the Hayden 678 cooler.

The TCC unlocking issue can be solved with a Wholesale automatics lockup switch (at least for a 470, not sure if they have one yet for a 460), which I use often in towing to lock the TCC in any gear and prevent runaway temps. But, that's not exactly useful for slow-speed wheeling where one needs to stop often (as it will stall the rig), so I also upgraded to a CSF radiator which I hope will keep everything cooler during slow-speed wheeling.
I didn't have my OBD dongle then to monitor temps, but I remember thinking about my poor trans with the cruise control would kickdown and race up the hills of eastern MO on I-44.
 
I didn't have my OBD dongle then to monitor temps, but I remember thinking about my poor trans with the cruise control would kickdown and race up the hills of eastern MO on I-44.
On short hills like that, you might get up above 200F, but it will drop back down as soon as you crest the hill, the rig shifts into a higher gear, and the TCC locks. So, there is a pretty limited risk of cooking the trans, unless you are towing something and the TCC is unlocked most of the time.

I drug our camper to the top of the tallest mountain in MO (prior to getting the lockup switch, but with an upgraded valve body and a Hayden 678) and I don't recall it getting above 200F. But, that's a windy road and I was kind of inching up it in 2nd and 3rd gear with light throttle, as opposed to racing up a hill on the interstate.
 
The hoses that come with the 678 are sufficient. You really don't need any hard lines.
Hard lines aren't needed, but they are often really nice to have for packaging and routing.

Indulge me, here, because my livelihood is essentially on-engine fuel plumbing and related components (pumps, injectors, filter, etc).

Because of the temperatures and pressures in a trans cooler line, a flex hose can easily satisfy the needs. Where a hardline really shines is 1) bend radius, 2) mounting/security, and 3) compact packaging. Hardline for the same flow capability is much smaller outer diameters, so it takes up a lot less space. As a general practice, some lines need to be able to move because the ends move-- brake lines, for example, have to flex with suspension movement. Fuel lines need to allow for engine movement within the mounts. But the converse is also true-- if it doesn't need to move then you should NOT let it. Lock that sucker down and it will be reliable.


I was actually thinking about this topic last night. Namely: how can I plumb a transmission cooler and use both hardline and soft hose to get the best of both worlds? What I often call a "hybrid" line has hose sections assembled with portions of rigid hardline to give you the best of both worlds. I have figured out a way that I think will work that allows both hardline and softline while honoring my personal design rule to never use a tapered pipe thread if at all possible.


Here's the key to making the hard/soft hybrid work:
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The fitting at one end pushes into a regular push-lok hydraulic hose like Parker 801 or similar. At the other end, you have a swage-lok style compression fitting the works with rigid tube. Now, these aren't your normal compression fittings that will leak and make you hate compression fittings forever. No, these actually work and do not leak. This particular fitting is a Yor-lok version (from McMaster) that is basically a Swage-lok copy since the S/L patent expired.

With a fitting like this, you can easily hand bend some stainless tubing in 3/8" diameter or 10mm (they offer fittings for both metric and SAE tubing that both work with -6 or -8 hose).

Parker 801 (push-lok Plus) hose is good to 125C and 300psi in the -6 size. Now, keep in mind that temperature rating is a forever-and-then-some rating, and exceeding it by a small amount is not a large risk. Parker 7212 "jiffy" hose is nearly identical in but it has a lower grade rubber cover and is only rated to 100C, which is IMO okay but borderline for trans cooler duty. I'd steer you towards the 801 as a minimum.

The "good stuff" that I would recommend for trans cooler plumbing is Parker 836. It's rated to 150C (that's an industrial, all-day-and-forever rating, so it can handle a lot higher for somewhat infrequent duration).


So what would a Gucci trans-cooler plumbing install look like?

Well, I'd probably start with a Setrab cooler with the M22 ORB ports. Use the Setrab hose ends to adapt to Parker 836 push lok hose (keeping in mind that Parker's own 82 series fitting range is huge and can support all kinds of adaptation to push-lok). Route along front of core support, transition to rigid stainless 3/8" tube to snake tight along the edge of the radiator and tuck tightly in there with some nice secure screw-down or other kind of tube clamps locking it down. Then finish the rigid tube run with a u-bend to connect to the OEM radiator inlet with a short section of 836 to give a bit of flex and work with the OEM radiator barb. Transition to OEM hardlines with the yor-lok compression fittings.

I'm still sketching this out in my mind. I'd love to see if I can pull it off.
 
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Hard lines aren't needed, but they are often really nice to have for packaging and routing.
Agreed. What you are describing will make for a beautiful and durable install.

Alternatively, you can pick up a Derale/Hayden kit at most parts stores that will come with everything needed to install. Mine is doing well after over 70k miles. It looks dumpy in comparison but serves it's purpose. Maybe the ease of replacement or temporarily taking the cooler out of the loop in the event of failure is an advantage of keeping the rubber hose.

Interested to see what you come up with in any case. Good luck!
 
Looks like lock up switch is available for the 460.

I just towed my 5K trailer 2K miles over several passes (PHX to Redwoods national park and back). I pinned the therm before and have a 698 cooler.

My conclusions after towing a LOT in the last 6mo with and with out therm pinned is that it helps keep the low end of temp range low but makes little difference on passes. I still hit 220 pan temps on the climbs. I do about 55 towing, was monitoring lock up and inducing with down shift and throttle feathering. Even working hard to keep it locked up as much as possible, the temps still spike. However, since pinning the therm the average temp on flat ground or not towing looks to have gone down about 10°F. Interestingly, pan temps didn't go down that much after the cooler only.

I think pinning actually helps more in commuting since it keeps the warm up temp range way longer. Rarely hits 190 before I get to work (15mi). Helps a bit with towing, but not much on hills on the interstate.

Lock-up induction from manual manipulation is by far the best way to manage temps, thermostat pin and a cooler help, but driving style is WAY more impactful based on my expereince.
 
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IMO if you are towing with any regularity, get the lockup switch. And the valve body while you are at it :). They are the best mod you can do for a GX that sees heavy use of any type. When you are going up a long grade, just put the trans in 2nd or 3rd gear, lock it, and motor up without any additional heat built up.
 
Looks like lock up switch is available for the 460.

I just towed my 5K trailer 2K miles over several passes (PHX to Redwoods national park and back). I pinned the therm before and have a 698 cooler.

My conclusions after towing a LOT in the last 6mo with and with out therm pinned is that it helps keep the low end of temp range low but makes little difference on passes. I still hit 220 pan temps on the climbs. I do about 55 towing, was monitoring lock up and inducing with down shift and throttle feathering. Even working hard to keep it locked up as much as possible, the temps still spike. However, since pinning the therm the average temp on flat ground or not towing looks to have gone down about 10°F. Interestingly, pan temps didn't go down that much after the cooler only.

I think pinning actually helps more in commuting since it keeps the warm up temp range way longer. Rarely hits 190 before I get to work (15mi). Helps a bit with towing, but not much on hills on the interstate.

Lock-up induction from manual manipulation is by far the best way to manage temps, thermostat pin and a cooler help, but driving style is WAY more impactful based on my expereince.
My temps are a little lower but I'm towing a sub-4K camper. Typically 212-215°F on long passes at the same speed. Towing the camper flat wanders between 197-203°F, never using 6th gear.

Thanks for the link to the switch. Good to know.
 
get the lockup switch. And the valve body while you are at it
Hard to justify with 207k on the clock now but if I blow it up, definitely would want to swap a HD valve body into the rebuild. Did you do the install on your lock-out switch? What are the trade offs? How low gear/RPM can you use it? I think OEM lockout induction is only 4-5-6 right? I never see it in 2nd but forget if it locks in 3rd.

Towing the camper flat wanders between 197-203°F
About the same for me with both pinned and cooler installed.
 
Lockout in 3rd if you have these two temps in pic at play

IIRC… lockout switch requires the valve body and isn’t a stand alone mod. Or not recommended with stock valve body.

If left on you could bring the motor to a stall if you left it on to a stop..IIRC

One could always consider taking the radiator coolant loop out if they have a big enough cooler. I wouldn’t do that with the smaller OEM one though.

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Hard to justify with 207k on the clock now but if I blow it up, definitely would want to swap a HD valve body into the rebuild. Did you do the install on your lock-out switch? What are the trade offs? How low gear/RPM can you use it? I think OEM lockout induction is only 4-5-6 right? I never see it in 2nd but forget if it locks in 3rd.


About the same for me with both pinned and cooler installed.
207K is just getting broken in for one of these :). The valve body will actually prolong trans life, since the snappier shifts have less clutch slippage and therefore less wear. It is, in theory, also easily transferrable between vehicles. But, it's not a cheap mod, and not something you'll want to do unless you're with the rig for the long haul.

As far as the lockup switch goes, with the A750F at least, you can install it on a stock valve body and get lockup in every gear other than 1st. My Nomad valve body was modified to allow for the 1st gear lockup, which I have used all of 1 time in the 3 years since I installed the VB and switch. I can't imagine the A760F being much different, but you'd want to of course verify with Wholesale.

As far as trade-offs....there are really none outside of needing to carefully splice some ECU wires to install it. It's a pretty simple add-on module where the TCC wire from the OEM ECU is routed into the module and then back out (along with a few other wires that power the module and allow it to prevent you from doing stuff like locking it in reverse). When the button isn't pushed, everything works just like factory (the ECU signal passes through the module to the TCC). When the button is pushed, the module overrides the ECU and locks the converter. It'll stay locked until you push the button again, and yes it will stall the rig if you come to a stop with the button pushed (just as if you were driving a manual transmission vehicle and stopped without using the clutch). As long as you are just using it on long mountain climbs and not forgetting it's on, that should never be an issue.

If the module were to fail for some reason, it could be unhooked and the TCC wire pins could be jumped to restore OEM function. I spliced mine into the OEM harness with a Deutsch connector and made a jumper connector (stored in the glovebox) as a fail-safe in case this were to ever occur.
 
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I'd only do the lockup switch myself with valve body upgrrade and not thrown on stock..but that is just me.

I now seem to recall someone possibly getting codes with just the switch installed but can't remember if it was a 750 or 760 install.

Perhaps more have done it now on 760.. I don't follow FB GXOR as much anymore.



@WTITW Actually one is pan and two is TC outlet
 
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I'd only do the lockup switch myself with valve body upgrrade and not thrown on stock..but that is just me.

I now seem to recall someone possibly getting codes with just the switch installed but can't remember if it was a 750 or 760 install.

Perhaps more have done it now on 760.. I don't follow FB GXOR as much anymore.



@WTITW Actually one is pan and two is TC outlet
You'll get codes with the switch if the OEM harness splicing is not top notch. At least, I sure did :). The computer checks the resistance through the lockup solenoid during every drive cycle. If it's a bit too high (due to a crappy connection), it will throw a P2759 code and the TCC won't lock itself (although the module will still override it). I fixed this on my rig by removing my first splice job - which used basic heat shrink crimp connectors - and replacing it with a Deutsch connector - which got rid of half the butt splices - and doing a better job on the remaining splices. I had to spend quite a bit of time with a multimeter to figure out where the problem was, following the FSM instructions for troubleshooting it.

The switch itself is really independent of the valve body. It just sends a signal to the OEM TCC lockup solenoid, which is maintained if the valve body is replaced (as part of the install, you remove all of the solenoids from the OEM valve body and transfer them to the new VB). The only thing the VB does is increase line pressures though the addition of a plate between the two halves of the OEM valve body.
 
Q-Tips and baby wipes are a hell of a combination! Lol

J/K

Funny enough, it's not garaged at all, and we live down a long gravel drive that's a muddy mess after every rain. I'm pretty religious about spraying if off on the weekends, though, and will use the spot free and the blower at the local car wash on the engine bay maybe once every other month or so. I think I just turned over 12,000 miles so it doesn't have that patina just yet!
Please provide a BOM for the Australian made mount, hoses, fittings, etc. Thank You!
 
Wanted to add a trans cooler to my 23' GX BEFORE doing any serious towing. However, an opportunity arose and I ended up buying a Yamaha 242 Limited S E-Series and pulling it about 134 miles home mostly flat with some mild-inclines. Below is a cycling elevation plot from google maps (why cant they add this feature to the driving route?!?!).
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The boat, with fuel, gear, the truck gear and fuel all together was undoubtedly north of 6000lbs. I took the return trip very easy, staying between 45 and 60 mph, topping 70mph once on a downhill (half the trip home was in a 70 mph zone). The first 15 or 20 miles I tried to keep the trans in 4th for lockup, but when I stopped to check the trailer hubs and hitch connection, the truck smelled warm. The same sort of smell when you drive the first 10 miles in a brand new truck. At that point I kept the transmission in D, modulating the pedal to downshift where I felt necessary. I took acceleration VERY slowly and coasted where I could. I did not get a trans fluid temp warning light, but I am still concerned that the temps were too high for my liking. I want to make this truck last as long as it possibly can, with a target of 500k miles. The truck currently has just over 19k on the clock and I'm on the factory transmission fill. I'm thinking I should do at least a drain and fill after this heavy pulling adventure and possibly add a cooler at this time.

My thoughts are as follows. I would like to add the MHX-521 like @Rogue556 did, but with the following changes. Reserve the factory T-stat in lieu of pinning it open. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, pinning the T-stat open and using an aftermarket T-stat seems unnecessary in practice and cost. For adding a hydraulic filter, I would instead use this, mounted in a location for ease of access.
One could forego the filter all together and just run the cooler, relying again on more of the factory components. After all, our main concern here is heat. A filter is an added flow restriction and, although unlikely, could become clogged, causing bigger problems. I understand the magnets can help prolong the filter service life.

I wish that I had some way to review historian data for my trip home to see what the TC and pan temps actually were. I'm certain they were higher than normal, but how much, I do not know. Maybe I should send a sample to Blackstone labs for peace of mind.

Anyways I like that the Improved Racing parts are made in the USA, and the MHX-521 appears to be a hell of a heat exchanger. Area wise it appears to be similar to that of the Denso coolers supplied on the 5.7 Tundra.
 
FYI, the Hayden coolers are very high quality, and made in South Korea. They do a great job for $60. For the filter, I run a Magnefine in-line filter ($26 part), installed on the outlet line of the cooler. They are stainless steel, include a magnet (obviously), and in an internal flow bypass. The A750F/760F does generate some crud, but not a whole lot, between 30-40K fluid changes. I only run the Magnefine so I can avoid dropping the pan at the next trans fluid change (which, in itself, isn't a terrible job).

Of course there is nothing wrong with a more robust setup (M-USA cooler and a spin-on filter), but I'm not sure the performance benefits over a $86 Hayden + Magnefine setup would be noticed in anything but the most extreme driving conditions. IMO the money would be better spent on a lockup switch and a Nomad valve body, the latter of which will provide tangible benefits in towing performance and MPG, in addition to making the rig more fun to drive outside of towing. They gave me about a 10-15% increase in towing MPG with my GX, and I can sometimes get 13-14 mpg pulling our camper if I drive it conservatively.
 
@Wildcat Walker - '14+ have a "ATF Thermal Degradation Estimate" PID

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Speculation time spent above 256F


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@Wildcat Walker - '14+ have a "ATF Thermal Degradation Estimate" PID

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Speculation time spent above 256F


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Have we found a way to reset that without techstream? My 2020 is still counting thermal degradation even though fluid temp hasnt really gone north of 180F. It's around 30k right now and I'm about to dona fluid exchange.
 

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