Genuine Fuel Filter? (23303-64010) for 1HZ

[jayp2]

If you're looking at aftermarket filters in the first place, then the fake OEM type is still a usable candidate in my opinion. The construction is basically identical to original and it's just a paper element inside, no tech.

That said, my days of using aftermarket filters are long behind me. Given that OEM filters are pretty cheap if bought in bulk from Partsouq, it's a false economy to look at aftermarket stuff.

I have too much $$$ in the engine to cheap out on filters

 

[OM617YOTA]

Maybe Toyota does it differently, but historically "OEM filter" has meant middle of the road product at absolute best, and paying 2x or 3x what a premium aftermarket filter goes for.

I have no problem using reputable aftermarket filters.

 

[Eurasiaoverland]

Maybe Toyota does it differently, but historically "OEM filter" has meant middle of the road product at absolute best for 2x or 3x what a premium aftermarket filter goes for.

I have no problem using reputable aftermarket filters.

Have a read of the threads where (I think 1FZ) 80 Series owners have ruined engines from Wix oil filters. Toyota may notsupply the fanciest filter but you know it's fit for purpose.

Also, 'premium aftermarket' is an oxymoron in my opinion.

 

[OM617YOTA]

Have a read of the threads where (I think 1FZ) 80 Series owners have ruined engines from Wix oil filters. Toyota may notsupply the fanciest filter but you know it's fit for purpose.

Yup, do what you're comfy with. I'm fine with reputable aftermarket. Wix oil filters are not reputable for these engines.

 

[woytovich]

IN GENERAL, I would HOPE that any known "name" brand filter, when changed at suggested intervals, all other things being "normal", would be sufficient. I also believe that some will be better at the task than others.

 

[woytovich]

If you're looking at aftermarket filters in the first place, then the fake OEM type is still a usable candidate in my opinion. The construction is basically identical to original and it's just a paper element inside, no tech.

That said, my days of using aftermarket filters are long behind me. Given that OEM filters are pretty cheap if bought in bulk from Partsouq, it's a false economy to look at aftermarket stuff.

Maybe your math works out differently than mine, and I'm not arguing the validity of your preference for OEM, but $48 USD/filter is not "pretty cheap". I'm not saying they are not worth it, just commenting on "pretty cheap"

 

[Eurasiaoverland]

Maybe your math works out differently than mine, and I'm not arguing the validity of your preference for OEM, but $48 USD/filter is not "pretty cheap". I'm not saying they are not worth it, just commenting on "pretty cheap"

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You maths looks fine to me I was talking in comparative terms with dealer prices which (at least in Europe) are vastly higher. And in my view $48 is not a lot for a filter which lasts 24,000 km IIRC from the service guides. But you are right, it's a very subjective statement.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I don't see the point when you can get perfectly acceptable filters for 1/3rd the price.

 

[woytovich]

I don't see the point when you can get perfectly acceptable filters for 1/3rd the price.

Different people have different definitions of perfectly acceptable.

 

[Eurasiaoverland]

I don't see the point when you can get perfectly acceptable filters for 1/3rd the price.

You mention that Wix filters are not 'premium aftermarket' - well we can see that now, but some people had to go through some major financial losses to get there. What guarantees do your 'perfectly acceptable' filters come with? How do you make the call between 'premium' aftermarket and substandard products? What kind of consistency in manufacturing standards do your aftermarket filters come with?

If you look at the genuine filters, they are made by Denso - they are the people who make the fuel injection pumps. They are made in Japan (not even outsourced to Thailand etc) so there is an expected a level of quality and consistency of manufacture, and the knowledge that they have been designed to match their application.

Think of buying a used car - what would you pay more for - a car with aftermarket components and local mechanic servicing, or the same car but with OEM parts and main dealer service history?

 

[woytovich]

Can someone elaborate on the issues with WIX filters?

 

[Eurasiaoverland]

Can someone elaborate on the issues with WIX filters?

It's quite a read, but this thread is a good start. There are more if my memory serves me correctly.

If you're using a WIX oil filter read this

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[OM617YOTA]

You mention that Wix filters are not 'premium aftermarket' - well we can see that now, but some people had to go through some major financial losses to get there. What guarantees do your 'perfectly acceptable' filters come with? How do you make the call between 'premium' aftermarket and substandard products? What kind of consistency in manufacturing standards do your aftermarket filters come with?

If you look at the genuine filters, they are made by Denso - they are the people who make the fuel injection pumps. They are made in Japan (not even outsourced to Thailand etc) so there is an expected a level of quality and consistency of manufacture, and the knowledge that they have been designed to match their application.

Think of buying a used car - what would you pay more for - a car with aftermarket components and local mechanic servicing, or the same car but with OEM parts and main dealer service history?

I didn't say Wix wasn't premium aftermarket, I said they weren't reputable for these engines.

I've run thousands of miles in various vehicles on Wix filters with no issues, including one Wix filter on my 1kz, purchased before I learned about the issues. I wasn't the least bit surprised when it worked perfectly fine, just like it does for almost everyone.

You roll your dice and take your chances, roll the dice you're comfortable with. I'm perfectly fine with aftermarket filters.

 

[Reedys]

I picked up an aftermarket fuel filter (as pictured), shall I buy an OEM one or does it not really matter?

Waiting on a new water sensor to arrive before fitting, so I still have time to get the OEM filter.

Thanks

 

[Eurasiaoverland]

Two sides of the argument as I see it.

The only advantage of the Ryco filter is that it is cheaper. So if you are not short of money, buy OEM.

vs.

I assume Australian fuel stations have clean bunkers that don't have dust/sand/water in them. If your tank is known to be clean and free from rust, sediemnt or microbial growth, the fuel filter won't need to do much. Have a look at what was in the old one you took off and make a call.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I believe Ryco is an accepted brand over there, I'd almost certainly run it.

Since my last post in this thread I've had two used oil analysis reports on my Mahle aftermarket oil filters showing they're doing perfectly fine. Still wishing I'd have bought all that were available.