gas or diesel poll

[bjowett]

Poll time, rebuild a 1FZ into a hi-po unit, or swap in a W04C-TI Hino diesel engine?

 

[OGBeno]

Diesel.

Petrol ain't getting cheap anytime soon...

[Disclaimer: I'm a newbie, so my opinion should not count as much.... ]

Best.
-onur
Akron, OH

 

[concretejungle]

BUt only because you said build it "hi-po", if just rebuild, i would consider the diesel.

 

[White Shark]

I'm swapping out the 350 for a diesel. I just secured a source for 100 gallons per week of WVO, and refining it to biodiesel should cost .30-.40 per gallon. Diesel is the way of the future.

 

[OGBeno]

When I was living in Arcata, lots of people up at Humboldt State were making the bio diesel switch...it's expenseive I hear on the front end, but once you get it up and running smoothly, it is cheap as hell and gas mileage is incredible. But of course, the University funded many of these projects so the money was there through the Cal State system for this type of 'research.'

If I had the money up front, I'd do it in a second too. I agree that soon (20-40 years) petrol will be a thing of the past--sort of like leaded gasoline.

I'm in support of it. Just don't have the money or mechanical knowledge at this point to do it. Hopefully in a year, I can have my university fund a research project like this!!

Best.
-onur
Akron, OH

 

[Junk]

Thought you were already well into the hi-po project? Wassup? How's the lil one?

 

[Kalawang]

I'd stay with what I already have. It takes a lot of fuel to pay for an engine change.


Kalawang

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

I'm swapping out the 350 for a diesel. I just secured a source for 100 gallons per week of WVO, and refining it to biodiesel should cost .30-.40 per gallon. Diesel is the way of the future.

I agree. I have four vehicles and they are all diesels. I cant see myself owning a gasser again.

Maybe a Porsche 911.

TB

 

[bjowett]

I have many of the parts to build the 1FZ, the spare engine is stripped down to a long black. Then while going through favs last week, I found the web-page for the salvage yard with that sweeeeet Hino FA truck, 70k miles, cheap. The flip flopping begins!

It should be mentioned that the diesel would not stay stock. Remember, it is set up to live 500k miles while toting around nearly 15k lbs of vehicle.

BTW TB, I have a 99 Carrera 4 sitting in the driveway. Belongs to my dad. You are very right! I put 230 miles on it over the weekend.... soooooo sweet, no diesel engine sounds like that!

 

[ginericLC]

One thing that would be neat about the diesel is it would be unique. Pretty cool opening the hoods at Cruise Moab and seeing 12HTs, 4BTs, etc... I don't think you could ever justify the cost. How do you plan on mating it up to the transfer case? I had been looking at the Isuzu 4bd1ts for a long time. They came with the A450 tranny. I believe the tailhousing is similar enough to make an adapter if necessary to the 80 case. I have no clue what the spline count is on the output of the A450. My wife veto'd the project. After 400 some hours in the garage on my last conversion she said No more! I do really have too much going on to do it. A masters program, a 2 year old, a new house that needs to be finished, etc....

 

[ryanjl]

The good thing about bio-diesel is that most the money for the fuel stays in the US instead of going into the hands of those that wish to kill us.

I'm not familiar with Hino's or their spare parts availability, but assuming they are a standard industrial truck engine and parts are plentiful, I'd say go for it and don't look at the receipts when you are done.

 

[bjowett]

Hino is Toyota, the W04C TI is the industrial version of the 3B in 3.89L turbocharged intercooled form. 200hp and a crap load of torque. Dealers and parts are plentiful, not to mention they still produce and sell the engine for marine use.

I have a complete truck, as in the whole damn thing, on my plate offered for $2800 cash talks.

 

[landtank]

I'm thinking if you want a diesel buy a diesel. I'd sooner spend the money and time on getting in the 80 diesels that where built before 96. That way once the road is paved you could make some cash as others seem to be real keen on them.

 

[Gumby]

non-bio diesel is not the future. Diesel makes up only about 20% of a barrel of crude. You can't replace petrol with dino diesel. it makes no sense. Bio diesel is a possibility, but I have not seen anything that suggests we could fuel the entire country with bio. Waste cooking oil is good for one guy, but how hard would it be to scrounge if 20 guys in your town started using it? How about 100?

Many companies are not even pursuing diesel technology as they feel it is backward thinking. They feel we should be moving forward to the next thing, not stop-gapping with old technology.

I'm not against diesels. I have one. I just get unruly when people think it's some kind of magical panacea.

 

[Kalawang]

Bio deisel has good potential from my point of view. These days farmers in the states are paid not to plant because of over production. The need for bio fuel might turn that around and create new profit centers. Dino fuel seems to be reaching it's limits and new energy sources are certainly needed.


Kalawang

 

[Gauge]

I voted wrong! I thought the question was "What engine do I have?", not "What engine should I install?" I should have read the darn thread before voting. In that case, DIESEL ALL THE WAY!

Anybody ever think about a Cummins? Parts are VERY COMMON, and the engine configurations are the same (Inline 6). I imagine the Cummins is longer than the 4.5. Still it's a thought. I would LOVE to see a Cummins powered Cruiser.

Cruiser Dan should chime in here. I know he has a Dodge Cummins and Cruiser. I am sure this thought MUST have crossed his mind before. any thoughts Dan?

 

[aamiggia]

Waste cooking oil is good for one guy, but how hard would it be to scrounge if 20 guys in your town started using it? How about 100?

Your right about the problem getting waste oil for free, but burger joints are still paying to get rid of it. Commerical Biodiesel is made from plant oil, usually canola (rape seed in Canada) and soya bean oil. These plants are both well suited for NA climate and as mentioned above, I'm sure the farmers would enjoy some high profit cash crops.

Way back in the day Brazil used to have all of the vehicles running off ethanol, which was locakly produced from sugarcane. Clean, cheap, and a renewable resourse. Once they switched to petrol it became expensive a dirty. Why did they change? not sure, probably some political powers that had ties to the oil industry. Maybe the same powers that will never let the industry change to a renewable energy source (bio-diesel) in our vehicles and always force us to pay the man (hybrid), even if it to a lesser degree. JMTC

 

[tarbe]

You can make really good diesel from coal and natural gas, too. Sasol makes something like one-third of all the diesel burned in South Africa, from coal.

 

[ginericLC]

Your right about the problem getting waste oil for free, but burger joints are still paying to get rid of it.

Actually, almost all of them have contracts with people who pay for used vegetable waste oil now. I thought because I lived in a smaller rural town I might stumble onto a good source however that is not the case.

 

[Gumby]

Commerical Biodiesel is made from plant oil, usually canola (rape seed in Canada) and soya bean oil. These plants are both well suited for NA climate and as mentioned above, I'm sure the farmers would enjoy some high profit cash crops.

I don't know, so I am asking in ignorance, would farmers be able to produce soy beans cheap enough that bio diesel would still be under $2.00 a gallon after refining, transportation, resale, taxes etc.?

Perhaps that's why the Brazilian govt. stopped the sugarcane project. Too expensive to subsidize.