FJ62 Custom Job - Thoughts?

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I'd really appreciate any thoughts on the below thread....I purchased my first FJ62 a year ago and am about the begin the process of customizing her. See below...

It's an '88 that's basically in great (but not mint) original condition. Zero rust, 232K miles, blue ext/grey int, chrome all in great condition, interior has minor wear - 1 seat tear and carpet is a bit worn - cd player/radio in great working condition, very cold a/c, working power antenae, quick reacting 4WD and tranny, engine runs strong (70mph on the interstate is a breeze). Did I mention zero rust? Body has 3 minor bumps.

Since owning, I've had the vehicle checked out by two LC mechanics and the most major item determined was a minor front seal leak. While in the shop, I've had 10-15 offers to purchase. I had all fluids replaced and tune-up performed upon purchase.

Bottom line - I paid $3500 for the vehicle, a steal. I'm the third owner and since owning (1 year) I have used it only to drive to/from the airport weekly (2000 miles put on it in the past year).

My plan (and the quotes given to me) are as as follows:
1) 4-inch lift using OME suspension. Quote included shocks, springs, bushings, shackles. Also replacing all hoses and belts on vehicle. Price quoted is $1450 parts/$800 labor for these items.
2) Body and Paint. Body has 3 minor 'bumps' but they're more parking lot car door situations than anything medium to major. Body shop is going to pop these 3 places, remove engine, remove chrome/emblems/bumpers, etc and perform a complete color change (engine well, door jams and any interior areas that are same color as exterior). Powdercoating of bumpers, emblems, antenae and all other chrome items will also be included. Exterior paint color will be the same color green on the new Hummv's (lighter than british racing green, slightly darker than USMC OD green) with a few coats of clear-coating. Price quote for body and paint is $4000 by best body/paint shop in my area.
3) Interior. Interior will be designed like the new Lincoln LT truck....black carpet, black dash, black headliner, cream high-quality leather seats (new springs, new foam but on existing non-rusted seat frames) with black piping on all seats and head-rests. Also cream leather w/black piping on lower section of interior door panels. Price quoted is $2400 buy best interior shop in area.

My question is this....with a Hummv green exterior, powder-coated wheels, emblems, side-view mirorrs, bumpers, 4-inch lift w/33inch BF Goodrich AT tires, and interior done as mentioned above - will the effort be worth the money and time spent? This is my first LC and my first restoration/customization on these type vehicles. With the end-goal in sight, what are your thoughts? Total price for customization will be in ballpark of $9500 but should be unique enough to easily sell for a slight profit in the future. Just my feelings though.

Thoughts? I should add that I have discussed with both mechanics the importance of ensuring vehicle is mechanically sound prior to doing any of the above. The one thing I do not want is to have a great looking vehicle that sits in the driveway and won't operate.

Thanks in advance.....
Derek
 
Depends what you want.
besides the lift, the modifications you are suggesting are useless for off roading, but they will certainly make for a beautiful truck.
If you can sell it for profit, that's in the stars. If you find someoine who wants a modified truck that is beautiful, fine, but you might not, it is hard to predict.
The prices quoted do not seem excessive for a job well done.
hope that helps.
I'd leave the body alone, put in nice seats and a diesel engine, but tastes are different :)
 
Appreciate it Jan. The vehicle hasn't been used for off-road nor will it be once complete w/the mods. Wanting to mod it as a driver only. I do appreciate your thoughts....I was mainly looking for whether the prices quoted seemed above normal which you were able to answer for me. Appreciate it....

Anyone else, feel free to pipe in here...
 
i think planning to invest heavily in any vehicle and turn a profit is not very wise. I'm not saying that it is impossible... just HIGHLY unlikely that the results will please you. I see cruisers all the time on ebay that the resto's *claim* to have run in the 10's of thousands selling for what turns out to be pennies on the dollar. If you want to do it for you, then do it for you. If you are looking for an investment, your time and $$$ will probably be better spent else where. Stocks, Bonds, Rental properties... gold, barrels of oil, whatever. A cruiser is always one careless driver away from the scrap heap... If it were totaled, your insurance certainly isn't going to pony up $10+grrr for a truck with a book value of $1700.
 
TCB - you make a very good point in the insurance payout comment. For whatever reason, I had not considered that. Some bonehead plows into me and my $9500 investment is suddenly turned into something to be reminded of by my better half for the next 40 years (you idiot, what were you thinking).

Might be better to just go with the suspension, wheels/tires, new paint and some seat covers. The bonehead factor would then be less of a kick in the tail.

Thanks for the perspective....
 
I think your plans sound great as is, if you're going to do it for yourself, as has already been said. The two main problems selling a vehicle with modifications are that 1) You need to find a buyer who wants and appreciates exactly what you've done, and 2) a buyer who appreciates what you've done will usually be willing to do those mods themselves.

I'm going through a similar decision making process myself, and what it comes down to for me is: If I spend $10k on this truck, will I be happy daily driving it for at least 2 years, and then selling it for $5k? That comes out to just over $200 per month, and if I compare that with a new car payment I think I win. I haven't completely convinced myself, but I'm getting closer.

Good luck. Post up here when you decide what to do, with pics.
-Matt
 
FJ62Man said:
TCB - you make a very good point in the insurance payout comment. For whatever reason, I had not considered that. Some bonehead plows into me and my $9500 investment is suddenly turned into something to be reminded of by my better half for the next 40 years (you idiot, what were you thinking).

Might be better to just go with the suspension, wheels/tires, new paint and some seat covers. The bonehead factor would then be less of a kick in the tail.

Thanks for the perspective....

a number of people have special insurance for their old cars, that considers the real world value, not the blue book value. I am sure you will find a number of threads with this subject on here, and in the 40s section.
good luck,
Jan
 
I think all can agree that automobiles are not a good investment and that modified automobiles are about the worst investment there is from a monetary stand point. Cruisers that bring the most money are nearly always mint in stock condition or restored to stock condition. An OME suspension is fine, but non-factory colors and non-factory interiors probably make a cruiser less desireble for most potential buyers.

Also, imho, there would be some incongruity between the utilitarian green paint and the bling interior you describe.
 
here is my .02

a cruiser is not an investment - it's where we put our money...never expecting to get it back. just the enjoyment of having the BEST vehicle in the world. I'd rather put a bit in every couple months - maintenance, upgrades, etc. than pay 300/mo for some ford or (insert other car maker here) that looks like every other bar of soap on the road.

I am amazed nobody has said this yet. no offense intended... Why spend the money on a lift and tires if you NEVER plan on taking it offroad again? This borders on sacrilege. Maybe it snows HEAVILY? or the curbs at the mall a bit high? (sorry - had to say it...)

I really hope you enjoy your 62. Get it dirty once in a while, and enjoy it's full potential. You will be a happier owner.

i'll get off the soap box now...sorry.

rob
 
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FJ62Man, I can speak on part of your plan. The body. I just had the best body shop in my area redo the body on my 62. They did what you described but to the original color (i like them all) and did not remove the engine. All of my trim, bumpers, etc. did not need replating. But I spent a wad of cash on this like you are talking about doing. If I were to do it over, I would do again because it looks fantastic. My motive is different than yours. I plan on keeping it and fairly sure that I will never get the money out of it that I am putting into it, but I don't really care. It's my hobby, I love it and it's the only thing I blow money on. Your price does seem reasonable for the paint if it turns out as good as you picture. Your interior work is all personal, me , I'm an old school guy and love the original interior. Suspension and tires....go for it. Can't wait to do mine in the spring. But if you are really doing all this as an investment I would not put all that money in the interior. When you go to sell this, the die hard LC nuts are going to be your core market and most of them you would scare away with that interior. Above all...drive it and enjoy it, thats where you make your money!!
 
" will the effort be worth the money and time spent?"

If you love the rig then do it. Most new car/truck payments are $300+ month and then the cost of full coverage insurance $200+/month. I love the look and uniqueness of the FJ series Cruisers. Mine has been dead reliable but I only have 130K on it. One with 230K miles on it plan to put some $$$ away for unforeseen events (ie engine failure, trans/clutch/diffs etc).

Spending $2500 on the interior.... yikes! Hope that includes some stereo upgrades.

2" OME lift and 33's IMO looks great. I don't see the need for any lift unless you actually 4x4. 31's fit on the stock suspension... but at 230K miles it will be very very tired.
 
LOL..i thought this thread was a joke.

why spend that much and have someone else do it all? i look at owning my 60 as my intro to auto repair. i have had some things done by a mechanic, like getting a new crankshaft pulley installed, but otherwise it has been a great opportunity for me to learn about auto repair and maintenance, albeit later in life. i don't see buying a old LC and doing mods and resto to sell for a profit as a very good investment esp if you have paying someone else to do the work.
doesn't seem like there would be much satisfaction in it...but what do i know.

:cheers:
 
If you love the Cruiser and don't want to part with it anytime soon and have the cash, why not? It's your car. But don't expect to get your money back from the next buyer. That never happens, even with universally loved improvements like OME suspension or ARB bullbars that almost everyone likes.

Cruisers are great vehicles, great hobbies, great fun, but not great investments (though they usually hold their resale value better than most if kept stock). I just think finding a buyer who shares your exact tastes in car customizing and has the cash to spend on buying it once you're done with it might be hard.
 
I thought it was a joke too. Profit??? That made me spit my coffee a little.

Sincerely, go cheaper and don't pay someone to take out your engine to paint the compartment unless you are going to put a rebuilt one back in there. No offense intended but your plan is a bit nieve. Save your money for gas (soon to be $3 per gallon).
 
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