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I will reserve judgement on the FJ Cruiser. Certainly a fine truck at a competive price point, and I look forward to seeing properly modified FJ's suitable to the trails they are running. My problem is more with Toyota, rather than the truck itself, or the talented trail teams that were driving them.

What I really felt was per Loewenbrau's comments about Toyota's support for the event as a whole. I think of vendors like Mudrak and Marlin. Little guy outfits, that somehow manage to donate thousands of dollars in major prizes to the events, then buy hundreds of dollars in tickets, lead trail rides with thier expert experience, and provide more parts and tools and trail fixes to participants than you can imagine. Then you think of the FJ Team... nice guys, for sure. But held up more traffic than they helped, thier raffle donations amounted to a few trinkets like watches and pocket knives that were bundled with significant donations from much smaller vendors, and I was left with the bitter tastes of commecial self interest rather than a sense that Toyota was there to genuinely support the community. I would have thought Toyota could have donated a major prize to the raffle.

Now, I must confess my personal Bias about the FJ Cruiser as a Canadian. First of all, they stopped bringing in any Land Cruisers in 1989. Last year, our club was putting on the first Canadaian TLCA sanctioned event, the 2005 River Shiver. We approached Toytoa Canada, and thier offical response was that they no longer support the Land Cruiser brand in Canada. Then, in Late 2005, they went to to length of actually blocking parts availability through their dealer network for JDM import parts that were previously available as special order through the dealers. Then, in 2006, they come to our club with offers of event sponsorship, and want Land Cruiser enthusiasts help in flogging the FJ. Then, I get to the Rubithon, and see what I feared... Toyota offering little to the success of the event, and using it primarily as a venue for test drives.

I really hope that TLCA gets the membership numbers that they desire from FJ owners, and that this somehow makes the TLCA somehow better, and not just bigger. But at this time, all I see is Toyota getting wealthier, and the trail rides getting slower. I truly hope I am just jadded and bitter.

Peter Straub
 
Peter,
That's a great insight. it is disappointing that they didn't do more.

Do you think it was the organizers of Rubithon's responsibility to tell Toyota that they have to ante up at least as much as small vendors to participate?

I'm not trying to shift blame, I'm just thinking if TLCA has different expectations of the Trail Team coming into it...

My turn to be jaded- I can see Toyota marketing wanting the maximum visibility and press for the least investment of $$. Then it's up to TLCA to set the bar of 'price of entry'
But I think there is a relationship there? that I have no idea about between TLCA & Toyota.... heck, might be a good topic for the TLCA section
 
Long story short, TLCA has tried to get Toyota on board like Jeep and Rover are for their vehicles. Getting Toyota to run an ad in each issue of TT is about the best we've been able to do. Toyota has a dilemma they can't really show support for the off road community too much because they also sell cars to the SUV hating evironazis, remember they also make the Yaris and Prius. That is an advantage Jeep and Rover have over Toyota, their market is only 4wds. Their entire image is off road. The FJ marketing is rather interesting. Notice there are no big newspaper ads or TV commericals. They are trying to go directly to the 4wd community. Whether or not TLCA is getting taken advantage of is something that is debateable. I still haven't been out on the trail with an FJ. I ran pretty tough trails in Moab and there were no FJs to be found. But the ones I saw in camp and the video I saw impressed me greatly. I sort of like it. Someday I might eventually get one even though I'm disappoineted in the visibility. In a few years, I know there will be FJs out there kicking LCs butts on the trails.
 
Eric,

I would not think that Toyota's position on suporting up the off road community has anything to do with the environmentalists. Remember, they are going into NASCAR, they now have a Formula 1 team. They are big involved in racing.

J##P is part of Daimler Chrysler. Rover is part of Ford Motor Co. So they are on the same boat. I think it has more to do with numbers than anything else. We might be the most loyal customer base that they have, but we are a drop in the bucket. Toyota is building 45000 FJs this year, they will build 3 times as many Tacomas in the same time frame.

It's the same reason why we've never seen ads for the Land Cruisers. I seem to recall that they imported 5000 FJ60s per year. And that a total of 58,000 80 series were imported through out the the product life.

Why put a lot of resources into this community, when any other vehicle in their lineup outsells the ones intended for this market. Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side. I'm only playing devil's advocate. I would love to see them more engaged with the off road community.

It would be nice to see more generosity on their part, but I understand that is part of a greater marketing budget. But they could do stuff that would mean a lot to us and cost very little. Like Toyota Land Cruiser engineers on the trail with us. Giving a chance to us user talk one on one to the developers.

Regards

Alvaro
 
We were there and saw the cruisers. my 2 cents- if you have alot of time and stack enough rocks, you can get through anything.. A highway was paved through a couple spots for them. Though they made it a little easier than the 80 through Old Sluice, infront of the yellow cruiser. That guy was having a hell of a time and was kinda panic'd.

Luke was saying that they brought two of them to his shop, but the wrong coils were delivered, so they could not install the lifts.

I didnt drive one, only sat in it. I am not a fan. I would rather have an 80 or 60 or Taco, or keep my 4 Runner. Or best of all- keep my 40.

-Dustin
 
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My two cents, it is result of you guys who wheel the 40,60 80, 100's, runners and tacos that the FJ Cruiser is on the market. For if it was not your commitment and enthusiam for the Toyota brand the truck would be just another intersting concept vehicle that suffered from the failure to achieve concepetion. For in a capitalistic society it is how money is spent that is a relflection of values. In that context the fact that Toyota is willing to invest in a trail bias vehicle, only to produce less then 50,000, it becomes a statement of appreciation as much as one of profit. So despite that the FJ Cruiser may or may not be your cup of chai, each time you see a voodo blue, a sun fusion yellow or any other sibling of the numeral normancalture clan, smile and pat yourself on the back. The truck is in honor of your madness and reiterates Toyota a renewed rededicated towards your favorite divertisment. In conclusion, I say thank you all.
 
dustin said:
Luke was saying that they brought two of them to his shop, but the wrong coils were delivered, so they could not install the lifts.

-Dustin

They did get the parts the next day. They did have enough lift for 33's
 
Thank you all for the feedback, both positive and negative. This Trail Team program has never been done before, so it is a learning experience. You have brought up some very good points, and we listen.

Thank you also for a great time on the Rubithon for those who attended. I offer my sincere apology to anyone that was affected negatively by the Trail Team. I am sorry for holding people up. Please try to remember that many of the vehicles on the Rubithon were trailored there. We were 'wheeling our tow rigs. I did my best to pull over when there was opportunity without environmental damage in order to let people by.

We love this community, and Toyota has taken an iterest in us. Since the mid 1980's Toyota has imported only wagons to the U.S. and have been quite successful in so doing. They have produced something new for our community and the Trail Team is their way of introducing it. They did not need to do any of this to keep running a successful company. I beleive this support is a good thing for the future of our beloved community and our recreation.

Toyota is listening to you. Thank you.

Chris Nelson
 
FJ-Cruiser may not be a Land Cruiser but that may be a good thing

Just an aside to all of the comments about the FJ Cruiser not being a landcruiser. I was at the Coal Mine Landcruiser Classic in PA. I had the opportunity to test drive the FJ Cruiser and was pretty impressed for a stock rig. The trail team was extremely friendly and helped out more than they needed to when called upon.
The sad point to my story is that there was not one single 100 series landcruiser at the event that ran any of the trails. Not one. In my mind I saw the FJ-Cruiser as THE new landcruiser, as I'm sure next year there will be several there...

Flame Suit on...
Bill Atkinson
76 Fj-40
04 Tundra
 
roosterdo said:
My two cents, it is result of you guys who wheel the 40,60 80, 100's, runners and tacos that the FJ Cruiser is on the market. For if it was not your commitment and enthusiam for the Toyota brand the truck would be just another intersting concept vehicle that suffered from the failure to achieve concepetion. For in a capitalistic society it is how money is spent that is a relflection of values. In that context the fact that Toyota is willing to invest in a trail bias vehicle, only to produce less then 50,000, it becomes a statement of appreciation as much as one of profit. So despite that the FJ Cruiser may or may not be your cup of chai, each time you see a voodo blue, a sun fusion yellow or any other sibling of the numeral normancalture clan, smile and pat yourself on the back. The truck is in honor of your madness and reiterates Toyota a renewed rededicated towards your favorite divertisment. In conclusion, I say thank you all.


I'm not sure I agree with this line of thought. Toyota does market research and they know their markets well. I think they looked around at the Xterras, Liberty, the Wrangler Unlimited, h3s and saw a market where they could make money. They are business people. I have no doubt they will be the largest automobile company in the world by 2010. It would be neat if this was a result of Toyota diehards, but I'm a little skeptical on your theory.
 
ginericfj80 said:
I'm not sure I agree with this line of thought. Toyota does market research and they know their markets well. I think they looked around at the Xterras, Liberty, the Wrangler Unlimited, h3s and saw a market where they could make money. They are business people. I have no doubt they will be the largest automobile company in the world by 2010. It would be neat if this was a result of Toyota diehards, but I'm a little skeptical on your theory.

I do agree with you and your points regarding Toyota is in business to make $$$$. Thought your points and my points are not in confilict . The fact Toyota made over 400 billion profit in 2005 the amount of profit the FJ will contribute at a production level of 49,000 will amount to less then rounding error (1/100%) for the company. That means there must be other motivations to offer the product, such as those of my earlier statements, confimation of loyalty and heritage as keeped alive by those on this board.
 
roosterdo said:
The two that did the run did have 1 inch larger tires and a 3 inch lift. This gave us about 11 inches of clearence or about 1.5 over stock becouse of what we lost with the modified skid plate and the arb bumper.

Probably closer to just at 10.5"; but then maybe your 1" larger tires are actually 2" larger! :D

Then again, maybe everyone else that measured the distance from ground to rear diff with their 33" BFGs used bad measuring equipment/protocol?? :confused:
 
We never measured the rear diff clearence. We were more concerned with the front clearence between the custom skid plate and the ground. Which did increase from a little over 8 inches(1.5 inches less than stock due to the extra weight on the front) to a little over 11 inches. later today I can get the rear diff clearence on the lifted one. Yes there are other bits that hang down low and can only get higher with bigger tires. But the increase of tire size from 32-33 is a net of 1/2 inch under the bits that are tire dependent. Sorry if any post may be confusing. later robbie
 
Ba-Outfitters said:
Just an aside to all of the comments about the FJ Cruiser not being a landcruiser. I was at the Coal Mine Landcruiser Classic in PA. I had the opportunity to test drive the FJ Cruiser and was pretty impressed for a stock rig. The trail team was extremely friendly and helped out more than they needed to when called upon.
The sad point to my story is that there was not one single 100 series landcruiser at the event that ran any of the trails. Not one. In my mind I saw the FJ-Cruiser as THE new landcruiser, as I'm sure next year there will be several there...

Flame Suit on...
Bill Atkinson
76 Fj-40
04 Tundra


The FJ Cruiser IS the new Land Cruiser, regardless of what others think.
 
TexasBadlands said:
The FJ Cruiser IS the new Land Cruiser, regardless of what others think.

This topic IS for chit-chat. I'm tired of repeating it in multiple threads so consider this fair warning. Texas, you've been here long enough to know better.:shotts:


If you want to know about the history of the Land Cruiser and origins of the FJ Cruiser, look in the FJC tech FAQ.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=1170446&postcount=6

If there is info you would like to be added to FAQ, PM me w/ any info on any FAQ topic. I am happy to update for you guys.
:cheers:
 
This thread needs more pictures from Rubithon.
So here you go.
FJC 8 to post.webp
FJC 7 to post.webp
FJC 6 to post.webp
 
More pictures.
On the water crossing with the winching.. A few people got hung up on the same rock. No one pointed it out to the trail team. The made short order of getting off of it though.
FJC 5 to post.webp
FJC 4 to post.webp
FJC 3 to post.webp
 

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