Electric Fuel shut off

[kowalski]

Hey,

I've been in the process of sinking time and money into my BJ60; however I'm not comfortable with how easy it is to steal.

Has anyone here had any experience with electric fuel shut off valves? I've been looking online, but I haven't been able to find one that seems reliable.

What are some reputable companies that manufacture these?

Thanks guys

 

[Kynot62]

There are numerous ways to disable your rig. Keep it simple. Adding an electric shut off valve would just add complications. Easy enough to just add a kill switch to one of the circuits that are already in place.

Tony

 

[kowalski]

Pretty hard to add a kill switch do a mechanical diesel motor... Not sure what your thinking, but if I just get it rolling and bump start it, any kill switch short of a fuel shut off wont do anything to stop theft.

Again I ask, anyone have any info on this?

These switches are fairly fail safe. If worst comes to worst and I'm in the bush and it fails, I will just remove it from the line because I know where it is. I don't understand how 2 wires can be a complicated procedure...

 

[Estancio]

Had a theft a few years ago. Cruiser stolen overnight from behind the garage in dead of winter in Edmonton. Doors were locked. Vechicle not plugged in. Not sure how they got it started or stole it, but they did. Recovered by police a day later, abandoned across town. I do see a fuel dsconnect as a good idea, but have never tried one.

Here are a few things I have tried in the past for theft proofing. Sometimes I use these for longer term storage. A few months of winter storage. Or while I am away from home for a few weeks on business. Or when I have to park at any Airport for a week.

1. Battery disconnect switch. Worked fine until it exploded under my hood. Gave up on that after destroying two battery switches. Now I disconnect the ground wire under the hood.
2. The Club on the steering wheel. Still use that anytime I am unsure of where I am parking the Cruiser.
3. Remove ignition fuse. This works against the inexperienced kids trying to find a quick joy ride.

With all 3 in use, I feel secure that my Cruiser will not be stolen by an average thief. Yet I know that a professional with a tow vehicle could scoop mine up in a few minutes and haul it away. Not much way to guard against serious professionals.

 

[Tapage]

1. Battery disconnect switch. Worked fine until it exploded under my hood. Gave up on that after destroying two battery switches. Now I disconnect the ground wire under the hood.

1. that will be my first choice .. simple perco switch ( or bluesea ) that " cut " the ground or the positive to the starter ..

2. use a cutting brake valve/line lock ( manual one ) to cut the diesel in to the IP ( kind of messy to reach but perfeclty doable and routable )

 

[Kynot62]

Pretty hard to add a kill switch do a mechanical diesel motor... Not sure what your thinking, but if I just get it rolling and bump start it, any kill switch short of a fuel shut off wont do anything to stop theft.

Again I ask, anyone have any info on this?

These switches are fairly fail safe. If worst comes to worst and I'm in the bush and it fails, I will just remove it from the line because I know where it is. I don't understand how 2 wires can be a complicated procedure...

Besides the already mentioned battery kill switch and such, (The best type of battery kill switch is made by Hella. They have a removable key.)

A switch that grounds the low oil pressure sensor would prevent it from starting as well as the overheat sensor. These would also prevent bump starting as they keep the EDIC in the stop position or if it does start the EDIC will shut it down in short order (if it's working)

I would use a mechanical valve for a shutoff before I went with an electrical one. You can even get them with provisions for a padlock.

And an electrical shutoff valve would take more than two wires as it would also need a switch.

The most important thing for me is that the kill switch/cutoff has to be easy for me to use but hard for a thief to detect. Like someone said though, a hard core thief with a tow truck would be next to impossible to stop

Tony

 

[markthemenace]

How about a gearshift lock? Some of the vw bus people have these on their busses. The modern ones are really slick looking. You leave it in gear, 4WD and I don't think they could even tow it.

 

[DillonOnTheCoast]

Pretty hard to add a kill switch do a mechanical diesel motor... Not sure what your thinking, but if I just get it rolling and bump start it, any kill switch short of a fuel shut off wont do anything to stop theft.

The kill switch on my 2H cuts off fuel via the EDIC. I'm a newb who knows nothing about BJ engines but this seems like a common approach.

 

[keving]

I have always been curious about putting the EDIC on a manual on/off toggle switch. One could then hide that switch under the dash somewhere; and there is a good change a theif won't find it. This makes it simple, smart, harder to steal and should be more reliable that the stock EDIC harness. Sure, a smart theif who knows cruisers could still pull the EDIC arm off of them pump and then fire it up; but at least this will be enough to make most theives walk away.

I put a manual shut down cable on mine, not for anti theft but for reliability and im not happy with the cable set up I have so in looking for a manual EDIC control which in turn can be an anti theft device to.

 

[kowalski]

I have always been curious about putting the EDIC on a manual on/off toggle switch. One could then hide that switch under the dash somewhere; and there is a good change a theif won't find it. This makes it simple, smart, harder to steal and should be more reliable that the stock EDIC harness. Sure, a smart theif who knows cruisers could still pull the EDIC arm off of them pump and then fire it up; but at least this will be enough to make most theives walk away.

I put a manual shut down cable on mine, not for anti theft but for reliability and im not happy with the cable set up I have so in looking for a manual EDIC control which in turn can be an anti theft device to.

Can shed some more light on this? I thought about doing this as well, but I wasn't sure how I would go about running the cable and actually ensuring that it ends up in the correct positions.

I have found a source for an electric fuel shut off, unfortunately it doesn't have a manual over-ride, but it is good for 120psi so if I put a feed pump in the tank it will definitely be able to handle anything I throw at it.

I was thinking of plumbing it in right where the line switches to rubber. Then if I do experience any issues with it, I can just bypass it using one of the lengths of fuel hose. The valve is $75, and it's made by Parker PN: 7121KBN2NV00N0C111C1

 

[cody c]

youve got one wire to your EDIC, interupt that and you will not get any fuel.

Its a pretty easy to get a disconnect/fuel-shutoff switch mounted in the dash and route a wire to it.

I got something like this in my 80, bought the switch from princess auto for around $10, if your leaving it for the holidays put the ebrake on and the t-case in neutral as well.

 

[kowalski]

youve got one wire to your EDIC, interupt that and you will not get any fuel.

Its a pretty easy to get a disconnect/fuel-shutoff switch mounted in the dash and route a wire to it.

I got something like this in my 80, bought the switch from princess auto for around $10, if your leaving it for the holidays put the ebrake on and the t-case in neutral as well.

Thanks, I'll have to look into this.

In other posts I've seen 4 wires running to the EDIC, is the one on ours different?

 

[handcannon]

youve got one wire to your EDIC, interupt that and you will not get any fuel.

Its a pretty easy to get a disconnect/fuel-shutoff switch mounted in the dash and route a wire to it.

I got something like this in my 80, bought the switch from princess auto for around $10, if your leaving it for the holidays put the ebrake on and the t-case in neutral as well.

I'm not familiar with the Toyota diesels or the 60 series dash. But, is there an unused switch on your dash, or a place to put a stock, or stock looking, on-off switch?

Reading through this thread I've been wondering about this. I've read of others who have either added or modified stock switches to act as a 12V shut off. This along with the one wire to the EDIC that Cody is talking about could make for an easy to add security switch. The key is stock or stock looking, nothing to look out of place. This would be quick and easy for you to operate, and not so easy for someone else to find and operate in a hurry.

Don

 

[keving]

Yeah I think there are four wires going to the edic. But handconnon hit the nail on the head with putting a stock looking switch in a stock looking location and use it to switch the edic on and off.
Im not familiar with the positions of the edic, overinject and so on however....

 

[cody c]

The large red fuel shutoff I have, acts as a switch to turn the power off, but you can also remove the key from the body.

Then there is no switch, and a empty socket where the switch was. It looks a little like a 12V socket for plugging in accesories.

But, I suspect trying to trouble shoot diesel electrical issues in order to steal an old rusty truck would not be something car thieves have time for.

I like the fuel cut off idea more than a vehicle immobilization. That means would be thieves will have to turn over your vehicle to get it going (making noise) rather than try and find some wiring to make it turn over.

Or they could just tow it, then your screwed either way.

Another neat fix was welding half a chain link to the shifter, and using that to lock it in one gear, but thats a bit of a sidetrack...