dropping a diesel in an 80
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I would imagine that the diesel in Poland is a little bit different from the diesel in the US.
Skillet
Skillet
Why do you hate Polish diesels?
Hey there Noah, I just might have the info that your looking for.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=84611
The cost will be dependent on what you want out of it. eather way, plan on a lot of work. I still say it can be done for under 10K. Id say as low as 6K if you can do 90% of the work yourself, and dont get crazy on the preformance stuff.
-Ron
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=84611
The cost will be dependent on what you want out of it. eather way, plan on a lot of work. I still say it can be done for under 10K. Id say as low as 6K if you can do 90% of the work yourself, and dont get crazy on the preformance stuff.
-Ron
fzj80kidpen,
the diesels are the same. One is 1HD-T and the other is the more powerful and newer (1HD-FE probably, don't remember exactly the model). So these are the diesels that are used everywhere. I simply do not get the idea of changing to a diesel. If the gas engine had poor torque and needed 4000rpm to move then it would be the right thing to do, but the gas engine achieves maximum torque very soon and has enough power. The advantages are that it doesn't stink, doesn't rattle and probably is not that expensive. I hope you are aware of it.
If you are aware of it and want to have a diesel because you like to be different, then that's cool with me. I have an LX450 while everyone has HDJ80's and I like being the odd one.
the diesels are the same. One is 1HD-T and the other is the more powerful and newer (1HD-FE probably, don't remember exactly the model). So these are the diesels that are used everywhere. I simply do not get the idea of changing to a diesel. If the gas engine had poor torque and needed 4000rpm to move then it would be the right thing to do, but the gas engine achieves maximum torque very soon and has enough power. The advantages are that it doesn't stink, doesn't rattle and probably is not that expensive. I hope you are aware of it.
If you are aware of it and want to have a diesel because you like to be different, then that's cool with me. I have an LX450 while everyone has HDJ80's and I like being the odd one.
MikePL,
I am not the one doing the swap right now, thats Noah.
But if I had the cash I would.
The diesel in the States is already low sulfur and later this year is supposed to move to Ultra-Low Sulfur. I know what you are saying about stink but I sort of like the novelty of the diesel and the efficiency.
I am not the one doing the swap right now, thats Noah.
But if I had the cash I would.
The diesel in the States is already low sulfur and later this year is supposed to move to Ultra-Low Sulfur. I know what you are saying about stink but I sort of like the novelty of the diesel and the efficiency.
In the US, diseasel fuel is more expensive than petrol and harder to find. The slight increase in fuel mileage does not make up the shortcomings of higher price and less power plus the points you make (noisy & smelly.) And for the $10k cost to do an engine swap, you would have to drive it 10,000,000 miles before you could possibly break even; all the while you are having to stop in truck stops every time you need to refuel and shutting off the engine in drive-thrus and dealing with that smelly fuel.... oh, and going slower for those 10,000,000 miles.
Add to this the issues with getting spare parts or replacement parts and you have a solution looking for a problem IMHO.
-B-
The main reason that I like the diesel in my cruiser is that it is extremely reliable and no electronics to stuff up. I also can drive over 500 miles without having to find a fuel station. I never smell the diesel while I am driving, and the diesel sound (which I like) is only there while idling, not driving.
In OZ, diesel fuel is readily available in the outback. Diesel fuel here is on average 10% more than petrol, but I get 30% better fuel economy while
4WDriving (or city driving).
My previous 60 series cruiser had the 12h-t factory direct injection turbo diesel that has travelled over 520,000 km's and the only thing that I have replaced on the engine is the water pump.
In OZ, diesel fuel is readily available in the outback. Diesel fuel here is on average 10% more than petrol, but I get 30% better fuel economy while
4WDriving (or city driving).
My previous 60 series cruiser had the 12h-t factory direct injection turbo diesel that has travelled over 520,000 km's and the only thing that I have replaced on the engine is the water pump.
Well yes, diesels are reliable but bear in mind that the FZJ80 engines are not stressed at all so they are just as good in terms of longevity as diesels. A little over 210hp from the 4,5L 1FZ-FE is just nothing for the engine.
1FZ-FE 275 lb-ft @ 4400rpm
1HD-T 288 lb-ft @ 1800rpm
Which one is more useful for your application? That probably depends on your driving style.
Which one can you tune to your heart's desire? The sky is the limit for the 1HD-T and you can do it for cheap (unless you want to buck up and spend over 2 grand on the Safari intercooler kit - I plan to make my own for about $500)
1HD-T 288 lb-ft @ 1800rpm
Which one is more useful for your application? That probably depends on your driving style.
Which one can you tune to your heart's desire? The sky is the limit for the 1HD-T and you can do it for cheap (unless you want to buck up and spend over 2 grand on the Safari intercooler kit - I plan to make my own for about $500)
rgsiii
SILVER Star
I might consider a diesel swap if one of my good conditioned, relatively highly modified, well maintained FZJ's had a catastrophic engine failure. I would be really trying to weigh the cost/benefits. My impression is that to put one of Mr. T's used diesel engines, with everything electronic working correctly would be nearer to $20K than $10. This number is one that I came up with after talking with several people.
One problem I have with my BJ42 is parts. Although all Toyota parts for North America come in through California, any New BJ42 specific part must come out of Canada--with some high shipping cost. If the same holds for the newer Toyota diesels, that were never imported into Canada, you may be asking Mot to get parts for you from the Home Islands.
My gut impression is that the conversion doesn't make much economic sense. Of course, having 2 FZJ80's also doesn't make economic sense.
One problem I have with my BJ42 is parts. Although all Toyota parts for North America come in through California, any New BJ42 specific part must come out of Canada--with some high shipping cost. If the same holds for the newer Toyota diesels, that were never imported into Canada, you may be asking Mot to get parts for you from the Home Islands.
My gut impression is that the conversion doesn't make much economic sense. Of course, having 2 FZJ80's also doesn't make economic sense.
The biggest cause of failure in the outback is computer failure. Once they fail then that is where the car stays. Diesels also don't use spark plugs, coils, leads, etc. This might not be important where you live but here reliability can be paramount.
The reliability and economy are the main reasons why virtually all large trucks here are diesel powered.
I also have the option of making my own fuel (biodiesel), or ultimately running the vehicle off oil (with some modification).
I'm lucky that diesel 4WDs are common here, as is diesel fuel and parts. I personally would never ever change to a petrol 4WD.
That doesn't mean that it is viable or practical for people in other areas. You buy and use what suits you, your budget, and your interests.
My reasons for wanting a diesel are the economy, the torque, the simplicity, and the ability to run biodiesel. And on biodiesel, it doesn't smell so bad.
I have a diesel in my Samurai and love it.
I have a Suburban with a 6.2 diesel and I love it.
Advance Adapters has a Chevy V8 to Land Cruiser transmission kit for about $1200. I can pick up a running, but rough 6.2 Suburban for $200, wich gives me the engine and all accessories (including cruise control) I can get a gasket/seal set for under $200 and rings/bearings for about another $100.
I figure, with some minor fabrication and doing the labor myself, I could have a 6.2 in an 80 for under $3k. On homade biodiesel, it pays for itself in under two years.
I have a diesel in my Samurai and love it.
I have a Suburban with a 6.2 diesel and I love it.
Advance Adapters has a Chevy V8 to Land Cruiser transmission kit for about $1200. I can pick up a running, but rough 6.2 Suburban for $200, wich gives me the engine and all accessories (including cruise control) I can get a gasket/seal set for under $200 and rings/bearings for about another $100.
I figure, with some minor fabrication and doing the labor myself, I could have a 6.2 in an 80 for under $3k. On homade biodiesel, it pays for itself in under two years.
pretty good summary in wikipedia
From the below then for Mudder types ---
long life engines can be swapped between vehicles (when you rolled one time too many)
Low pollution --we have enough trouble as off roaders and SUV users justifying our existence with the Green movement
diesel is often the fuel of choice in remote places
no ignition to get swamped adds to off road capability
torque at low RPMS
Uses very little fuel at idle--handy for lighting and or heat if needed in a remote place
direct injected motors are probably the ones associated with the diesel rattle and noise --IDI is quieter but actually I enjoy Diesel noise and turbo spool having grown up in long haul Semi's
Major advantages
Diesel engines have several advantages over other internal combustion engines:
They burn less fuel than a petrol engine performing the same work, due to the engine's higher temperature of combustion and greater expansion ratio. Gasoline engines are typically 25 percent efficient while diesel engines can convert over 30 percent of the fuel energy into mechanical energy.
They have no high-tension electrical ignition system to attend to, resulting in high reliability and easy adaptation to damp environments. The absence of coils, spark plug wires, etc., also eliminates a source of radio frequency emissions which can interfere with navigation and communication equipment, which is especially important in marine and aircraft applications.
They can deliver much moreThey can deliver much more of their rated power on a continuous basis than a petrol engine
The life of a diesel engine is generally about twice as long as that of a petrol engine due to the increased strength of parts used. Diesel fuel has better lubrication properties than petrol as well.
Diesel fuel is considered safer than petrol in many applications. Although diesel fuel will burn in open air using a wick. The low vapor pressure of diesel is especially advantageous in marine applications, where the accumulation of explosive fuel-air mixtures is a particular hazard. For the same reason, diesel engines are immune to vapor lock.
For any given partial load the fuel efficiency (mass burned per energy produced) of a diesel engine remains nearly constant, as opposed to petrol and turbine engines which use proportionally more fuel with partial power outputs.
They generate less waste heat in cooling and exhaust.
With a diesel, boost pressure is limited only by the strength of the engine components, not detonation of the fuel charge as in petrol engines.
The carbon monoxide content of the exhaust is minimal, therefore diesel engines are used in underground mines.
Also can run on biodiesel fuels
From the below then for Mudder types ---
long life engines can be swapped between vehicles (when you rolled one time too many)
Low pollution --we have enough trouble as off roaders and SUV users justifying our existence with the Green movement
diesel is often the fuel of choice in remote places
no ignition to get swamped adds to off road capability
torque at low RPMS
Uses very little fuel at idle--handy for lighting and or heat if needed in a remote place
direct injected motors are probably the ones associated with the diesel rattle and noise --IDI is quieter but actually I enjoy Diesel noise and turbo spool having grown up in long haul Semi's
Major advantages
Diesel engines have several advantages over other internal combustion engines:
They burn less fuel than a petrol engine performing the same work, due to the engine's higher temperature of combustion and greater expansion ratio. Gasoline engines are typically 25 percent efficient while diesel engines can convert over 30 percent of the fuel energy into mechanical energy.
They have no high-tension electrical ignition system to attend to, resulting in high reliability and easy adaptation to damp environments. The absence of coils, spark plug wires, etc., also eliminates a source of radio frequency emissions which can interfere with navigation and communication equipment, which is especially important in marine and aircraft applications.
They can deliver much moreThey can deliver much more of their rated power on a continuous basis than a petrol engine
The life of a diesel engine is generally about twice as long as that of a petrol engine due to the increased strength of parts used. Diesel fuel has better lubrication properties than petrol as well.
Diesel fuel is considered safer than petrol in many applications. Although diesel fuel will burn in open air using a wick. The low vapor pressure of diesel is especially advantageous in marine applications, where the accumulation of explosive fuel-air mixtures is a particular hazard. For the same reason, diesel engines are immune to vapor lock.
For any given partial load the fuel efficiency (mass burned per energy produced) of a diesel engine remains nearly constant, as opposed to petrol and turbine engines which use proportionally more fuel with partial power outputs.
They generate less waste heat in cooling and exhaust.
With a diesel, boost pressure is limited only by the strength of the engine components, not detonation of the fuel charge as in petrol engines.
The carbon monoxide content of the exhaust is minimal, therefore diesel engines are used in underground mines.
Also can run on biodiesel fuels
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Here is a thread with some of my 1HD-T conversion work.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/140595-toyota-1hd-t-80-swap.html
These two involve FJ80s, but there is others that involve 93 and 97 FZJs
also a great thread out here involving 12H-T swap I helped Stone do on his 91 FJ80.
Lots of other misc pics and info to be found if you search "1HD-T swap"
