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Agreed, any rig can be build to purpose, especially a body-on-frame 3UR-equipped Toyota. :)

I've always had a soft spot for the gen 2 Sequoia. Just seems really well thought out feature-wise and the only real problems to consider (assuming you've invested in a solid aftermarket suspension) are ground clearance and the rear IFS.

It's less than 2" wider than a 200 and only 10" longer, doesn't weigh any more, yet has a significantly higher-rated front axle.

Seems reasonable that 37s, which are relatively easy to install on a 2nd gen Sequoia, would be needed to approximate the performance of a 200 on 35s. Already geared at 4.30 like the Tundras.

I'm all for the Sequoia's for the right purpose. Those bit more dimensions here and there are no small thing on a technical trail though. As it is, the 200-series departure is often the first limitation and those extra inches mean a Sequoia doesn't play in the same league. Toyota describes the golden ratio and is why the Land Cruiser series from 80 to 200, and now 250 and 4runner have grown up into it.

Those extra couple inches width may also not seem like much but the 200-series is about as big that I'd want on a trail. This plays out again and again when I wheel with full size trucks.

The 4.1/4.3 diffs on the Tundra/Sequoia doesn't give them an advantage IMO. They need that because they have more drag with larger frontal areas and worse Cds. Whereas the LC200 keeps more margin with the same size engine.

Big 35s and 37s on a Sequoia only bring it up to par with what a stock 200-series will do. Now slap on 35 and 37s on a 200-series, it's not close IMO.

Tieing it back to this discussion...

A hallmark of the full fat Land Cruiser has always been big bones. In some ways after years of comparison, it has premium features (banjo brake caliper fittings to avoid tearing off lines) and more robust elements (LCA shock mount that's more robust than even the Tundra), and a higher end architecture (5-link solid rear axle) than even the Tundra/Sequoia (some of which the newest gen adopted_. It has the core strength to wear 35s and 37s with still great robustness and durability. We know Monica has seen tens of thousands of hardcore race miles with 37s in the Baja 1000 no less..

The LC250 is punching up with small parts to get to big boy pants and golden ratio wheelbase. It doesn't have the structure for big overlanding weights. Nor the core strength to wear big shoes without reinforcements and compromises in durability.
 
I'm all for the Sequoia's for the right purpose. Those bit more dimensions here and there are no small thing on a technical trail though. As it is, the 200-series departure is often the first limitation and those extra inches mean a Sequoia doesn't play in the same league. Toyota describes the golden ratio and is why the Land Cruiser series from 80 to 200, and now 250 and 4runner have grown up into it.

Those extra couple inches width may also not seem like much but the 200-series is about as big that I'd want on a trail. This plays out again and again when I wheel with full size trucks.

The 4.1/4.3 diffs on the Tundra/Sequoia doesn't give them an advantage IMO. They need that because they have more drag with larger frontal areas and worse Cds. Whereas the LC200 keeps more margin with the same size engine.

Big 35s and 37s on a Sequoia only bring it up to par with what a stock 200-series will do. Now slap on 35 and 37s on a 200-series, it's not close IMO.

Tieing it back to this discussion...

A hallmark of the full fat Land Cruiser has always been big bones. In some ways after years of comparison, it has premium features (banjo brake caliper fittings to avoid tearing off lines) and more robust elements (LCA shock mount that's more robust than even the Tundra), and a higher end architecture (5-link solid rear axle) than even the Tundra/Sequoia (some of which the newest gen adopted_. It has the core strength to wear 35s and 37s with still great robustness and durability. We know Monica has seen tens of thousands of hardcore race miles with 37s in the Baja 1000 no less..

The LC250 is punching up with small parts to get to big boy pants and golden ratio wheelbase. It doesn't have the structure for big overlanding weights. Nor the core strength to wear big shoes without reinforcements and compromises in durability.
Looks fine to me.
 
Lots more hard plastic in the dash and center console with


Lots of hard plastic on the dash and center console with massive cup holders in the Sequoia. Big comfy seats, but they don't come with the semi aniline leather that comes in the LC200. I traded my Sequoia for an LC200 and love them both, but the Sequoia is not the same in terms of comfort and lux. Land Cruiser cannot compete in terms of space, but the LC200 was the Toyota top of the line in terms of build.
yah no semi aniline on mine lol

have to drive the ls600h to enjoy that
 
Looks fine to me.


Exactly. Maybe watch again and pay attention this time. There's other vulnerabilities like the radiator support, front lower control arm shock mounts from other examples . And we'll see more once as it's still new.

To be fair, the lc250 earns my respect. Just not those that try to justify what it's not.
 
Exactly. Maybe watch again and pay attention this time. There's other vulnerabilities like the radiator support, front lower control arm shock mounts from other examples . And we'll see more once as it's still new.

To be fair, the lc250 earns my respect. Just not those that try to justify what it's not.
Respect's mutual.
 
there is a reason we have sections

my job is on 46 th floor. i dont wander into randomly 75 th floor

we dont post supra chat or ferrari chat on this forum either …

the 100 series section gets more 100 series tradfic than here - gasp 😮

The "other" 250 forum is a different site entirely. it's not hard to find. the 250 section on this site is a ghost town in comparison.
 
at my age, I can only find two sites - this and porn

enough for me
Which porn so we can avoid it? There are so many out there.
 
Real LandCruisers either have, or develop, a "Soul" or personality. They hear what you say (never talk about selling one within earshot) and aim to please. They often become part of the family.
This is one of the best points ever made here. I am going to remember this and use.
 
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I was at my local Toyota dealer this afternoon to pickup some parts for my 200 aka as a Real Land Cruiser. Sales guys always greet you. They were all checking out my rig. A few even pulled out their phones and took some pictures. Nice fellas. Chatted them up a bit. We walked over to a 250. Even the sales guys admitted it’s not a 200. So then I went and chatted to one of the service writers. We know each other pretty good. He’s a (Real) Land Cruiser guy. Loves the 200. Totally gets it. Conversation turned to the 250. He had a few good things to say. Great tech. Looks cool. But that was about it. He said it’s just not a real Land Cruiser. Doesn’t have the same bones or the same Toyota QDR that went into the Real Land Cruiser. The 200 Series.
 
The "other" 250 forum is a different site entirely. it's not hard to find. the 250 section on this site is a ghost town in comparison.
I've spent a lot of time over there as a potential 250 owner. Glad I never signed up.
I'd rather spend my time on mud talking about 1zz's.
 
I've spent a lot of time over there as a potential 250 owner. Glad I never signed up.
I'd rather spend my time on mud talking about 1zz's.
Wait, there is another site. What is it? Am I allowed to ask this?
 
Wait, there is another site. What is it? Am I allowed to ask this?
If you took the 200 series section of mud and inverted it you'd have
Then you could share about how the 250 is the greatest thing ever after the 5th gen poor runner.
 
If you took the 200 series section of mud and inverted it you'd have
Then you could share about how the 250 is the greatest thing ever after the 5th gen poor runner.
lmao - all cuckold in one place
 
I was at my local Toyota dealer this afternoon to pickup some parts for my 200 aka as a Real Land Cruiser. Sales guys always greet you. They were all checking out my rig. A few even pulled out their phones and took some pictures. Nice fellas. Chatted them up a bit. We walked over to a 250. Even the sales guys admitted it’s not a 200. So then I went and chatted to one of the service writers. We know each other pretty good. He’s a (Real) Land Cruiser guy. Loves the 200. Totally gets it. Conversation turned to the 250. He had a few good things to say. Great tech. Looks cool. But that was about it. He said it’s just not a real Land Cruiser. Doesn’t have the same bones or the same Toyota QDR that went into the Real Land Cruiser. The 200 Series.
you didnt want to test drive the 250…. the best LC since the FJ40?!!!? 😜

did you get turned on when you saw one ???
 
If you took the 200 series section of mud and inverted it you'd have
Then you could share about how the 250 is the greatest thing ever after the 5th gen poor runner.
I don’t even know how people tolerate that forum site. Constant adds that fill up half your screen and it frequently crashes and goes back to the start of a thread when scrolling down.

Let alone, everyone on there are previous 4Runner/bronco/wrangler/econobox owners who “upgraded” to the 250 and it’s the best thing since sliced bread. I guess it’s a matter of perspective, but yeah, a 250 is going to be better than your unibody econobox. It’s still a slap in the face to previous LC owners who wanted the real thing.

I hope most 250 owners don’t test drive a 200, or they will quickly understand why most people who own previous gen land cruisers have that opinion.

One could say, ignorance is bliss.
 
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