Here's a start.... Taking a bump to rear end and the computer not immobilizing the vehicle (LC 250).
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Here's a start.... Taking a bump to rear end and the computer not immobilizing the vehicle (LC 250).
It is the online lingo for "bully."The who?
''I guess we'll have to wait to find out.'' Agreed, Every time a new land cruiser is released these same old questions emerge. and I'm also sure the same proof will occur. Yes, we'll have to wait to find out.
''I am not convinced that Toyota is building today's Landcruisers with the same philosophy as 50 years ago, nor do I always believe the official Toyota line on what makes a Real LandCruiser as their criteria may be different than mine.'' I don’t believe for one moment that the Japanese workers and engineers have changed their philosophy. In fact it sounds like your criteria may be exactly what these new Land Cruisers the LX700h and 250LC are all about. Maybe the reason it hasn’t quite clicked yet is because your eyes are adjusting to something you haven’t seen in a Land Cruiser before the hybrid components.
I think your preference leans toward the old way and I can completely understand that it’s what we’ve grown to trust through experience. Futuristic stuff is, well... futuristic. But I believe we're in good hands with Land Cruiser name, Toyota's engineers, their materials, and their philosophy. They've built a solid track record, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. IMFO.
Areed. Yeah that sucks, Its def a Con. But even achillies had a weakness gotta weigh everything out when making decisions
I was making a joke that after putting him on ignore, his posts are gone, and I no longer see who you're talking about.
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They are built to be driven. And the modern ones are already proven in that regard. Some 100s with 500k+ miles just on this forum. Daily driven, no signs of slowing down. Some 200s are getting up there. Original drivetrains on both. 250s... we'll see. Frankly this quality is not even unique to Land Cruisers, it's Toyota's in general.
How long can the modern Land Cruisers sit untouched in a field or barn somewhere and will they be as easy to resurrect as a 40/55? Who knows? And who cares.
Wonder how the LX700h would have handle this. It has a starter+alternator as a backup for hybrid system failure, but I wonder if the vehicle is disabled due to a safety "issue" where impact has affected battery compartment.
I dont really care if my LX makes it to 500k miles TBH. It will be 44 years before it gets there at the rate im going and ill be 80 years old.
Vehicles that can reasonably regularly make it to 500k are much less likely to leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere at 200k, than those that have shorter expected lifespans.
The value in quality and longevity is not in driving the vehicle at that "maximum" mileage, but rather the problem-free ownership leading up to it.
They're all pretty fragile now. Supposedly even this minor bump was enough to immobilize a 300 series. Had to be hauled off on a flatbed.
Real Land Cruiser clearly would have driven right out of that tree it fell into after running into T Rex.
Yeah I suppose.
Yup I believe it would have been an 80s series LC
I do prefer the the old ways, I am old. I can rebuild a carburetor, I cannot fix a mysterious black plastic box with many wires. I much prefer to fix my own vehicle than have a Dealer do it. The ability to fix one's vehicle in the field can be the difference between always getting home and not. Owner serviceability is one of the beauties of the Legendary LandCruisers ( I'll use "Legendary" instead of "Real" to sidestep the "but the badge says it is" argument).
I'm thinking that the larger philosophy at Toyota has indeed changed since the LandCruiser was introduced. Back then, Japanese products did not have the excellent reputation that they enjoy today. Toyota responded by making a 4x4 that was head-and-shoulders above the competition to muscle their way into the market. Nowadays I'm afraid the philosophy has been corrupted by accountants and marketeers and regulations and stockholders and a public more desirous of comfort than adventure. Toyota seems content to maintain market share by offering lots of pretty good vehicles. Perhaps marketing is hoping that the new Landcruisers can continue to ride the coattails of the Legend.
You have no argument. It's ok.
I think those kinds of reflections are healthy they get us closer to the truth. When you say the new Land Cruisers might be riding the coattails of the Legend, I see it differently. I believe the new Land Cruisers are the Legend just in its future form. And I don’t think Toyota’s philosophy has changed. That mindset wasn’t born with Toyota it’s rooted in Japanese culture itself. I highly doubt that mentality has suddenly shifted when it comes to building these new Land Cruisers.
These hybrid Cruisers are the past combined with the future. The past is certain it's proven, it's safe. The future will always be questioned and doubted... until it proves itself. And then? The next leap forward will bring new doubts all over again. This is fun. I appreciate you entertaining these thought provoking discussions I'm all about it.
Who? The same type of (probably as yet unborn) adventurous cruiserheads who want to restore one to showroom condition like today's cruiserheads are doing.
Different strokes for different folks. The new LC will have to prove itself over the next 10 years or so. Then we will see if it has the hearty spirit of the true LC. Until then, if you want the peace of mind that you have a proven near-indestructible machine, you have to go 200 series or earlier. Can’t be giving out “true” LC status (or LX ahem) until the thing has earned its stripes.
Regarding the LX700h HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle), It might run, albeit in a "reduced power" (limp or turtle mode) to protect the drivetrain. I think the electric motor is sandwiched between the engine and the transmission so it is essentially a package deal. I am aware of the legendary Toyota/Lexus reliability lineage regarding hybrids, however, these systems do increase the failure points more than just simply either utilizing electric motor(s) or an internal combustion engine.
PHEV (Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle) has same issue, sometimes two electric motors (one sandwiched between trans and engine, one starter motor). PHEV is essentially the same as HEV with larger battery pack which can be charged Level I, II or with some rare models DC Fast Charging. Basically an EV with training wheels, acts like a HEV when taking long trips.
EREV (Extended Range Electric Vehicle) makes a bit more sense as the electric motors "should" still function if the internal combustion generator had a failure of some kind, but then your extended range is gone. EREV had no direct connection between engine and the drivetrain, it simply generates electricity to refill the battery pack.
I tend to prefer the idea of a NA internal combustion engine (yeah a V8) or dedicated EV (less energy dense fuel, but also less rotating assemblies), possibly an EREV (not many in the U.S. market, think i3, though models are coming).
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