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Perfectly described.
Don't let them have your 200
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There's a large lineup even in the US. Zooming out at the body on frame 122.2" wheelbase wagons.
4Runner < LC250 < GX550 < LX600
If we dig deeper into and this is why TNGA-F exists.
4Runner < 4Runner TRD Pro < LC250 1958 < LC250 < GX550 < GX 550 Overtrail < LX600 < LX700h
Dig even deeper, there's an almost continuous spectrum found between models and trims. And this isn't even accounting for what the rest of world gets because there's a big daddy Land Cruiser LC300 in the mix.
4Runner - 9 trims, LC250 - 2 trims, GX550 - 4 trims, LX300 - 7 trims.
For you LC250 guys, take notes and go enjoy your time with them 4Runner boys when they tell you its practically a Land Cruiser.
4Runner < LC250 < GX550 < LX600
If we dig deeper into and this is why TNGA-F exists.
4Runner < 4Runner TRD Pro < LC250 1958 < LC250 < GX550 < GX 550 Overtrail < LX600 < LX700h
Dig even deeper, there's an almost continuous spectrum found between models and trims. And this isn't even accounting for what the rest of world gets because there's a big daddy Land Cruiser LC300 in the mix.
4Runner - 9 trims, LC250 - 2 trims, GX550 - 4 trims, LX300 - 7 trims.
For you LC250 guys, take notes and go enjoy your time with them 4Runner boys when they tell you its practically a Land Cruiser.
I believe the Prado has its place and can be desirable for what it is. Confusing though having a 4 runner, Prado and GX all at the same time on the market, then again different washing powders are often from the same manufacturer so that seems a good analogue…
I see no issue with 4Runner owners calling it a Prado. It’s essentially a Land Cruiser Prado, Made on the exact same assembly line as the Gx and the Prado. Big deal. it's fine they can call it that if they wish.
We have our 24 Trd Pro 4runner, and my 2016 200..
My wife and I looked at the 250 and gx550 the other day and the OP's review was really spot on..
The gx was pretty dang nice, but not for the 90k+ used price tag. I'd buy another used 200 (Heritage) all day every day...
The 250 we were really disappointed in. We had hoped it would be kinda cool but we walked away and couldn't believe how unimpressed we were. With the hybrid 4 alone I'd never be interested but I had hoped it would be kind of a neat truck. Not the case for us.
Beyond happy with our 200, after coming from a built 100 series. It's literally perfect.
All that to say I think it's great the guys who have them and like them, it just confirmed the prado is not for us. It felt like Mr T dropped the ball on that one
My wife and I looked at the 250 and gx550 the other day and the OP's review was really spot on..
The gx was pretty dang nice, but not for the 90k+ used price tag. I'd buy another used 200 (Heritage) all day every day...
The 250 we were really disappointed in. We had hoped it would be kinda cool but we walked away and couldn't believe how unimpressed we were. With the hybrid 4 alone I'd never be interested but I had hoped it would be kind of a neat truck. Not the case for us.
Beyond happy with our 200, after coming from a built 100 series. It's literally perfect.
All that to say I think it's great the guys who have them and like them, it just confirmed the prado is not for us. It felt like Mr T dropped the ball on that one
Building on the same:
4Runner < 4Runner TRD Pro < LC250 1958 < LC250 < GX550 < GX 550 Overtrail < 200 series < LX600 < LX700h
4Runner < 4Runner TRD Pro < LC250 1958 < LC250 < GX550 < GX 550 Overtrail < 200 series < LX600 < LX700h
i like they differentiated in usa with the v6tt vs 4 cyl
i have no problem with prado
its the new prado owners in usa attitude that is sickening
toyota corolla owners never think they are in a toyota century…
maybe american toyota marketing is to blame for the recent prado owners attitude
as they say all publicity is good publicity
and we are talking about the janky 250
Wild, I thought the 200 had a lackluster interior and was starting to show its age especially with a lot of them having the peeling steering wheel. But when I stepped into the 250 a wave of joy washed over me I knew it was destined. we all have different ways we view things. I'm a big fan of both. To me, both have their pros and cons but honestly, you can't go wrong with either.
Don't forget the Fortuner moniker in that mix. And *gasp* the Urban Cruiser. Though that is a CINO. Cruiser In Name Only.
They're all metal and paint. Nothing more. There's no magic fairy dust. The 250 is the lighter duty version. The 300 is medium. Sequoia is the heaviest build. Of this generation. Before getting too high on that horse - remember the Sequoia still sits atop this mountain.
But the 200 is not this generation. There's no real debate that the highest trim Prado (gx550) is going to out perform the 200 across almost all functions. There's 20 years between the two. Towing, off-road, highway comfort, have all improved over time. That's simply the nature of progress. The 4th gen 4Runner out performed the LC80 in almost all on-road functions. It was faster, towed more, better highway ride, etc. The 5th gen beat the 100 series in many ways. And the next gen is no different. It's just how progress moves forward.
The myth that Toyota stays true to some amorphous core value of what is Land Cruiser is silly. Toyota has one core goal and one core goal only - extracting the maximum amount of dollars from customers with the lowest cost. Having broadly overlapping products in the same market space (compare a LC300 GR vs a GX550 for example) is presumably how Toyota concludes that it can make the most profit. It doesn't make sense to me why Toyota choses to have medium, medium, and medium size instead of small, medium, and large sizes. But there's little doubt that each successor generation is going to offer more power, more performance, more value than that prior generation or customers won't buy them. It's been that way for every generation since the 4Runner and Prado existed and will likely continue.
In 20 years there will be another thread about how it's impossible for a range extender EV with 900 hp to out pull an old school twin turbo v6 up a mountain and how you really can't manage a trailer down a pass without having the engine braking the load.
But the 200 is not this generation. There's no real debate that the highest trim Prado (gx550) is going to out perform the 200 across almost all functions. There's 20 years between the two. Towing, off-road, highway comfort, have all improved over time. That's simply the nature of progress. The 4th gen 4Runner out performed the LC80 in almost all on-road functions. It was faster, towed more, better highway ride, etc. The 5th gen beat the 100 series in many ways. And the next gen is no different. It's just how progress moves forward.
The myth that Toyota stays true to some amorphous core value of what is Land Cruiser is silly. Toyota has one core goal and one core goal only - extracting the maximum amount of dollars from customers with the lowest cost. Having broadly overlapping products in the same market space (compare a LC300 GR vs a GX550 for example) is presumably how Toyota concludes that it can make the most profit. It doesn't make sense to me why Toyota choses to have medium, medium, and medium size instead of small, medium, and large sizes. But there's little doubt that each successor generation is going to offer more power, more performance, more value than that prior generation or customers won't buy them. It's been that way for every generation since the 4Runner and Prado existed and will likely continue.
In 20 years there will be another thread about how it's impossible for a range extender EV with 900 hp to out pull an old school twin turbo v6 up a mountain and how you really can't manage a trailer down a pass without having the engine braking the load.
Huh?
I really want to drink what unicorn juice they are drinking at their cuckold parties
Sequoia is top... Prado is middle.......
These must be the short bus riders that we used to see when we were kids....
Sequoia (top) vs Land Cruiser (bottom). If you want a heavier build than LC, you'd jump up a category to a Sequoia. Is this not widely known? Or???
So the 10.5 Tundra rear defines top of the stack?
I guess by that metric the 250 with the 8.5 is at the bottom of the stack.
I guess by that metric the 250 with the 8.5 is at the bottom of the stack.
In terms of powertrain strength - yes. That is part of it. The Sequoia also has significantly larger and stronger transfer case components, larger drivelines, more cooling, etc. Obviously the engine is hybrid only - shared mostly with the new LX700. Downstream it's scaled up a size for the Sequoia. If we're differentiating the LC from the LC250 on the basis of the chassis and powertrain - then the LC is objectively between the 250 and Sequoia on the same scale.
EDIT: If we're talking interior trims - the LC has base models way below the base Sequoia and luxury trims above the Capstone Sequoia. But in that case - all of the models overlap by a bunch. I still think that Toyota will eventually be forced by the dealer demand to build a full size luxury SUV and we'll see a LX800 version of the Sequoia. But that day hasn't come yet.
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Where does the AWD Prius < Camry < RAV4 < Highlander fit in here?
The Tundra has a 10.5 to achieve a higher 2WD tow rating. And it doesn’t even have the option of a center differential. Even the 4R limited get this.
The Tundra with the 9.5 has a higher 2wd tow rating than any LC. The Tacoma has a higher tow rating with the 8.2 than the LC250 does with awd. Not sure the rear axle limit is sized based on 2wd vs awd. Toyota is pretty close lipped about how any of its ratings are set.
I suspect the Sequoia and Tundra do not get the awd transfer case because it is not deemed strong enough for the load profile of the Tundra. The LX700 only has a tow rating of 8k. But it also likely has a significantly different torque management limit to make sure the center differential doesn't see the higher torque in the lower gears. Presumably that's how Toyota is saving the lighter duty transfer case from the additional power. Not sure. The GX550 has more tow rating than any of the LX trims though, so maybe it's something about the LX chassis or cooling or ??? that's limiting the tow rating and not the transfer case. Hard to know if Toyota never publishes any information on how the ratings are set. All we really know is that Toyota thinks the higher trim 250 series can tow more than any 300 series and that the Sequoia can also tow more than any 300 series.
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Yes. The 8.2 is likely stronger than any of the 27 spline 9.5's (so early 100s and prior). But it is definitely smaller and weaker than the large-pinion 9.5. The 4Runner does get a 9.5 in some trims as does the Tacoma. IMO it is a surprise not to see the LC250 with a larger axle across the board. The higher trim GX obviously has the 9.5. So, it seems to be powertrain dependent on the LC250 range, but trim dependent on the 4Runner and Tacoma. Not sure why Toyota made those choices.
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