Difference between 200 and Sequoia

[pagemaster]

LC are at least 11 inches off the ground.

That is not true.

Toyota has been measuring ground clearance at the transfer case cross member for years.

11 inches is 1st generation Tundra territory

 

[Eicca]

That is not true.

Toyota has been measuring ground clearance at the transfer case differential for years.

Go get a ruler, measure it, and then come back and say to my face it's not true. I dare you.

Why on earth would they measure at the transfer case? And furthermore, do you honestly thing the transfercase is only 8.9 inches off the ground? Am I understanding this right? You honestly think the transfer case is only 8.9 inches off the ground.

You're sure you're not looking at specs for a Lexus LS. I can understand if you're confusing LS with LX. The names of the letters are almost indistinguishable to those with lower IQs.

 

[pagemaster]

Go get a ruler, measure it, and then come back and say to my face it's not true. I dare you.

Why on earth would they measure at the transfer case? And furthermore, do you honestly thing the transfercase is only 8.9 inches off the ground? Am I understanding this right? You honestly think the transfer case is only 8.9 inches off the ground.

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I will tell you this. A Tundra with the massive axle on the back does not sit 10.6 inches off the ground. Its around 9 inches of the ground, yet Toyota claims 10.6 inches of clearance.

Toyota unlike many other manufacturers measure at the transfer diff cross member

You're sure you're not looking at specs for a Lexus LS. I can understand if you're confusing LS with LX. The names of the letters are almost indistinguishable to those with lower IQs

No need to make things personal.

 

[Eicca]

I will tell you this. A Tundra with the massive axle on the back does not sit 10.6 inches off the ground. Its around 9 inches of the ground, yet Toyota claims 10.6 inches of clearance.

Toyota unlike many other manufacturers measure at the transfer diff cross member

Have you ever heard of tires? They come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and affect ground clearance more than anything else. They're those black things that go around the silver circles that are on the four corners of a car.

And obviously they don't measure at the transfer case crossmember, because the Tundra, Sequoia and Land Cruiser would all have more than 15 inches of ground clearance.

 

[bjowett]

Sure does. But as you know, there's a great deal of difference between... 1) the off-road specific "indy" suspension on this Tak-4 or a H1. 2)the very advanced and impressive indy suspension on a Range Rover or LR4, and 3) the heavy but more simplistic and road-biased setup on a Sequoia or Ford Explorer/Expedition which lack articulation.

Agreed on the Tak 4 and H1 being different. The Sequoia rear suspension is every bit as advanced as the LR3/4 series... they are similar in design and function. Both are modern multilink systems, large longer travel HD versions of what is installed on some cars these days. I don't have travel numbers for the LR stuff, but the Sequoia pulls 8" stock. Different shocks will bring that to 11", or more than the front on the 200. We could probably push it over 12" if minor mods were made to some of the arms. The sway bars limit articulation on it, but if it had the KDSS from the 200, that would be much less of an issue.

 

[pagemaster]

And obviously they don't measure at the transfer case crossmember, because the Tundra, Sequoia and Land Cruiser would all have more than 15 inches of ground clearance.

A Tundra does not have 15 inches of clearance at the transfer case cross-member. It has 10.6 at the cross member directly underneath the transfer case

 

[Eicca]

A Tundra does not have 15 inches of clearance at the transfer case cross-member. It has 10.6 at the cross member directly underneath the transfer case

That is absolute bull crap. The truck would have to be lowered and riding on spinners. My dad's Volvo 850 has 10 inches of clearance between the transaxle crossmember and the ground.

 

[pagemaster]

Volvo.

I don't want to say it, but the Volvo XC90 is showing 9.2 inches of ground clearance...

I guess the XC90 9.2 clearance over the Land Cruiser 8.9 concludes this thread.

 

[Eicca]

I don't want to say it, but the Volvo XC90 is showing 9.2 inches of ground clearance...

I guess the XC90 9.2 clearance over the Land Cruiser 8.9 concludes this thread.

Whoops... The XC90 doesn't have a solid rear axle.

Imagine that, you fail again.

 

[Combat Chuck]

Just curious where you get your facts from?.

Evidently the same sources you have quoted all along- Whoops, nevermind, there have been no cited references on your part.

The Sequoia can haul, and tow more.

Incrementally so. No significant difference.

Has a higher GVWR. ..

25 Pounds higher. Semantics.

And has the same Toyota-EMS hydraulic shocks as the LX470..

We're finding that more of these vehicles are coming equipped with this system. I wouldn't compare it to the KDSS.

Just curious where your facts are coming from?.

I ask you the same.

People should remember, the LC hauls less, tows less,

Not in any significant amount.

and has a lower GVWR than that of the Sequoia.

25 pounds. Again. You wouldn't happen to work for the Department of Redundancy Department?

Also has over 1 inch less in clearance..

A single inch? I'm certain worlds are turned on such colossal discrepancies. One time, I retuned an omlette because it was half an ounce lighter than the last one I had...

Seems to me that Toyota has built the Sequoia to meet higher numbers. .

Present me with evidence backing this up, and I will give you this one. However, the only person who cites words sourced directly from Toyota is PatrickFinley:

I hate to ressurect this but.....



I put forth a letter to Toyota in simple terminology. I said that I was in the market for a 200LC or a Sequoia and will use the vehicle for fairly moderate 4wd use for many years. I asked which would be the better vehicle for this type of driving. This was the response (from the horses mouth):



Thank you for your interest in Toyota.



Based on the way you are looking to use the vehicle, the Land Cruiser would be the better choice due to its drivetrain (full-time 4-wheel drive and Crawl Mode), approach/departure/breakover angles and suspension (Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS)) provide increased off-road capabilities.



The Sequoia does have a slightly higher ground clearance, is larger as you mention and costs less than Land Cruiser. While it will handle rough off-road situations it is designed primarily as an on-road vehicle as shown by its Multi-Mode 4-wheel drive system.



The Land Cruiser definitely has the beefier construction. It is built for use and sale world wide and has proven reliability where the Sequoia, which is a competent vehicle, but was built for the North American market and again for mainly for on-road use and comfort.



As part of the KDSS, the sway bars can be disconnected for enhanced off-road suspension travel and uses a sold rear axle and the Land Cruiser has skid plates for the front suspension, radiator, fuel tank and transfer case. The Sequoia uses an independent rear suspension to provide a more comfortable ride and a skid plate is present for the engine and transfer case only and only on vehicles equipped with 4-wheel drive.



As far has how well the vehicle will hold up after years of hard use that is hard to say but the Land Cruiser is the vehicle designed specifically for to handle the kind of use you seem to want to use it for. Obviously abuse or far exceeding the vehicle's limitations could shorten any vehicle's performance life span but you can have confidence in the abilities designed into the Land Cruiser.

From the horse's mouth.

Also, the Sequoia is faster 0-60 but weighs more..

Good point, I'll keep that in mind the next time I try to beat out that rice-burning tuner from down the lane.

Looking at the numbers, the Land Cruiser only really has a higher MSRP which IMO inflates the "egos" of the LC200 owners.

And apparently the mouthy guy online who makes it his life mission to deride them.

 

[barumbado]

For towing = Sequioa, wider, better rear end for towing, load leveling. LC has good payload, but too small wheelbase, width to make the difference
For people moving = Sequioa, this is a no brainer
For moving a total of four = tie
For design = tie
For personal use = Land Cruiser
For payload = Land Cruiser for fully loaded, Seqiuoa for lower trim such as SR5
For off-roading = Land Cruiser (but ground clearance and angles really suck)
For tail gate sitting = Land Cruiser
For loading in the rain = Sequioa
For what would worry me more if it broke down in the wild = tie
For on-road comfort = tie, edge goes to Sequioa
For macho men = Sequioa
For women = Land Cruiser (Taylor Swift included)

How do you know you do not have one?

 

[Eicca]

Ha! "For macho men = Sequoia!" I missed that! LOL city!

This ought to be given one of the "Best Threads of 'Mud" awards.

 

[pman]

According to Toyota the 100 has 9.8" of ground clearance......I know that the lowest point under my 100 is under the rear diff.....which happens to be about 9.8" off the ground......just sayin

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Guys! Guys! There's one dude on this thread that would praise the RAV4 over the Land Cruiser. (Probably because he can't afford a new 200-series LC) Don't let him keep you going!

 

[pagemaster]

Look at her high heels....I mean Land Cruiser

Ha! "For macho men = Sequoia!" I missed that! LOL city!.

I think Taylor Swift can't hand the size and beefiness of the Sequoia....leave it for Matt Damon

 

[barumbado]

Look at her high heels....I mean Land Cruiser

I think Taylor Swift can't hand the size and beefiness of the Sequoia....leave it for Matt Damon

Awww I think somebody has a crush on Matt Damon.

Hey pagemaster, are you checking out the Toyota's you can't buy or Matt?

 

[Eicca]

Ooooh hoo hoo! This just keeps getting better! Apparently one person is all it takes to set a stereotype for the entire crowd that buys a certain vehicle!

In the words of Syndrome, "Oh ho boy, this is just tooo good!"

 

[pagemaster]

Apparently one person is all it takes to set a stereotype for the entire crowd that buys a certain vehicle!"

I don't want to be harsh or hurt any current Land Cruiser's owners sensitive feelings, but I'm seeing a lot of women using Land Crusiers.

I sure hope I haven't turned off any potential Land Cruiser owners......maybe we gained a few Taylor Swift's or Kate G as Land Cruiser owners....

 

[NQCruiser]

I sure hope I haven't turned off any potential Land Cruiser owners......maybe we gained a few Taylor Swift's or Kate G as Land Cruiser owners....

As long as we got rid of some more pagemaster owners along the way, then I am OK with that....

 

[pagemaster]

As long as we got rid of some more pagemaster owners along the way, then I am OK with that....

Real men drive Sequoia's or Tundra's none of the 8.9 half-assed s***...