Diesel fuel as octane booster

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Hi,

I heard from a friend that a small amount of diesel fuel added to your gas would be a good alternative to paying for the higher octane gas. Anyone know if this is true? If so, how much would one add? He also mentioned it helps lubricates the lifters. What does it do to the stock or other carbs? Thanks for any info, ty
 
I heard that same story many years ago from an old timer from the racing circuit. He recommended adding a quart of diesel to a tank full of gasoline. He did it in his high performance vehelcies. I tried it in a 67 Ford Truck with the 300 six cylinder. I didn't notice any significant performance changes. I quit because it was a smelly pain in the butt to add it every time I fueled up. I also tried adding a cup of Marvel Mystery Oil to every tank full. It ended up just fouling the spark plugs.
I know another old timer who swore by adding a cup of 2 cycle oil to every tank full to help with top end lubrication. He expected longer life of his engine.
I was a student of a professor that had previously developed high performance fuels for ARCO. He was also a very competitive motorcylce racer. He told me that adding a quart of tolulene to every tank would boost the octane significantly. I did try in a 69 Mustang with a 302. I did noticed slight improvement in performance.
To me, its more hassle than its worth but I would be interested to read what others may have experieced.
 
Gasoline is 87+ octane and Diesel is 40. You do the math

Diesel in small amounts can clean your valves, but as an octane booster? I think not.
 
Hi,

I heard from a friend that a small amount of diesel fuel added to your gas would be a good alternative to paying for the higher octane gas. Anyone know if this is true? If so, how much would one add? He also mentioned it helps lubricates the lifters. What does it do to the stock or other carbs? Thanks for any info, ty

"lubricates the lifters" huh?

Moth balls are supposed to boost octane and they are easy to add to a tank. Actually isn't water made up of oxygen and hydrogen? Why not just toss a cup of that in the tank?:p
 
Mothballs are Naptha (similar to Toluene, which is a volitile solvent like acetone).

Diesel is a heavier (less volitile) oil based product.

It seems to me if one set of compounds boosts octane (and I thought that toluene was added to fuel for that very purpose) or the other would NOT boost octane. But I could be wrong, and would like to be corrected by anyone "in the know".

Also - I did believe thaat water injection does boost cylinder pressures (as a result of the vapor converting to steam) and improve performance, but only in a properly engineered injection system. Water injection systems were used on military bombers in WW-II.

Comments?

Rocky
 
Gasoline is 87+ octane and Diesel is 40. You do the math

Almost true but not quite,diesel is not measured in octane but rather cetane,which is entirely different.Diesel does have a cetane rating of 40 and has an octane rating of about 15.

in other words yeah...not a good idea. but go ahead and try:popcorn:
 
It seems to me if one set of compounds boosts octane (and I thought that toluene was added to fuel for that very purpose) or the other would NOT boost octane. But I could be wrong, and would like to be corrected by anyone "in the know".

Also - I did believe thaat water injection does boost cylinder pressures (as a result of the vapor converting to steam) and improve performance, but only in a properly engineered injection system.

I think your right about the diesel being unlikely to help. Diesel has a lower octane rating than petrol although octane figures for diesel are not much use.

No idea if a small amount of diesel in petrol would help in any other way, but a stock f or 2F shouldn't need high octane fuel, perhaps on a very worn engine it might aid starting, who knows.

Octane figure is not the amount of energy stored in the fuel etc, it's the resistance of the fuel to auto-ignite on compression, the higher the number the less likely the fuel is to ignite before the spark ignition.

The diesel cycle needs a fuel that ignites on compression. Cetane index is used to determine the ignition characteristics for diesel fuels and the gaol is the reverse of petrol.

Water injection is usally used to cool the air charge in a boosted engine, very important if detonation is to be prevented. It is true that as the water injection is turned on the need for fuel is often reduced and the injector cycle times can be less for the same power output - this is most likely because the a/f ratio is altered to closer to 14:1, before the water injection came on it might have been 10:1 with the extra fuel passing unburnt through the combustion process having been used only to cool down the air charge. The added water can make the use of a wideband sensor for a/f measurements more difficult. Important thng to rember is fuel can only be burnt is there is air avaliable for combustion.

That said people with more practical experience (and or) more chemistry than me have written that the water is broken down and the hydrogen and oxygen burnt, or the water becoming steam raises the MEP - mean effective pressure, and so power output - if it were that easy we would all have water injection etc....
 
Hello,
The purpose of water injection is to cool the intake charge. Turbocharged and supercharged engines benefit from water and water/methanol injection. Water injection lowers the the intake charge due to the latent heat of vaporization of the water. Water/methanol injection carries the process one step further, the latent heat of vaporization and the the addition of methanol, a fuel.
eric
P.S. a more lucid explanation:
Snow Performance: Home
 
Hello,
The purpose of water injection is to cool the intake charge. Turbocharged and supercharged engines benefit from water and water/methanol injection. Water injection lowers the the intake charge due to the latent heat of vaporization of the water. Water/methanol injection carries the process one step further, the latent heat of vaporization and the the addition of methanol, a fuel.
eric
P.S. a more lucid explanation:
Snow Performance: Home

Wondered about the methanol = extra fuel sometimes. When it's used the air fuel mixture is likely to be rich ie there is not enough air present in the combustion chamber to burn all the fuel persent - will much of the the methanol actually be used as a fuel?

BTW Otterav, I prefer your explanation (edit: as opposed to) the site you refered to. That site talks about combustion of water? and methanol providing oxygen for combustion - a fuel that also provides the oxygen?
 
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